Vandersteen Moel 2Ce better than Model 1B used in midsize room



Probably the answer is yes but for now i must say i’m quite happy with mine model 1B. The situation is i can buy a used 2Ce for a reasonable price. I don’t have big annoying problems with the 1B only the tend to drown a bit when the music get more complex an is building up like a orchestra build up to a crescendo. My main music is Jazz like Chat Baker an fusion jazz like Billy Cobham which reproduce the 1B excellent. I was wondering how big the change will be by replacing the 1B with the 2Ce.


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Thanx for the input for now. My amp is a NAD C370 200 watt at 4ohm. Peak power is much higher. Think juice enough.

The space of my attic which has a V shape roof guess 60 degrees is 13 x 22 feet compared with a normal room with strait wall my cubic meters are less. However my 1B is sounding amazing despite my lousy acoustics which i correct with room correction software creates a balanced sound which benefits the Vandies quite. The whole attic will be rebuild.

Attic:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/p0yINEm.jpg[/img]

Frequency response acoustic room:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/164jSkZ.png[/img]

I guess the character of both models is more ore less the same regarding imaging transparency the 2Ce will do it probably more effortless and will sound more controlled compared to the B1 if playing demanding music.

Can buy them for 650,- euro including original stands.


@audionoobie

Don’t find you contrarily because this is exactly why i have a bit of doubt.

Let i put it like this. The 1B is performing whit let say 70% of my music which is Jazz small ensembles but also jazz rock like Steely Dan as a dream. Basically hearing Chet baker (most of his albums) they create an intimacy (staging, detail, clearity) that is unbelievable. Till now i did not have this experience with any other speaker brand that i listen to in my room an i had some.

Only when i play lets say Year of the Cat from Al Stewart it sound more or less flat. When i hear that i think would a 2Ce does that better or is the recording such that the information that I’m looking for is just not there/in (I do use room correction software that does an excellent job in balancing the sound) . Basically i think it is a trade of an you think the bigger the better specially when it is the same brand.


@gnrdbob

The NAD C370 is an integrated amp using 6mm ofc speaker cable an JK acoustics type 2 an van der hul interlinks.

Some years ago i did a measuring as you could see in one my pictures. As you can see there are peak difference from sometime almost 15 db thats a lot. I can assure you no cable, amplifier or change in CD, DAC can overcome this. So i start first with some wall an ceiling treatment for my monitors that helped for about 15%. Than i used room correction software (Mathaudio Room EQ) that changed the sound more than 70% for the better it is completely balanced using the flat target curve.

I’m now 61 did spend quite a lot of money in decent gear but i never had this experience with Room Correction software the best money i spent was 80,- Euro buying a measuring mic. I don’t think the B1 is broken however it is difficult too reach the drivers but i know that the drivers have rubber surrounds not foam an they sound very tight when needed.


@tomic601

Yes i was also thinking about adding a sub woofer however i don’t have a problem with the tight bass that is now present in the B1



@tomic601

Al Stewart is my old regular cd i bought some where late 80ties. Don’t know if this is the best release. Second file are the Beatles - Come together latest re-master where the Vandies comes alive tight bass from Paul for instance. What i noticed in the 70ties not much was recorded whit lots of dynamic because it does not make sense probably because of the limitation of vinyl.Don’t get me wrong al Stewart does not sound bad but compared to some similar music for instance Joni Mitchel - Hijera (third track here under) Al stewart sounds flat (highhats an voice sound almost compresed) IMO but ok that could be subjective. Ultimate question is will the 2Ce do a better job.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/iepoczh5tacibhd/01_Lord_Grenville.flac/file

http://www.mediafire.com/file/k8low0nnh0h61tw/01._Come_Together_%25282019_Mix%2529.flac/file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/93f5yvrbmei2eph/hej08-blue_motel_room.flac/file

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