ultrasound cleaning?


Anyone heard of the US-120A or US-60A ultra-sonic/sound(US) LP cleaners?

DiscUnion(Japan)
http://www.diskunion.co.jp/s_sale/goods/cleaner.html

Lists for Y80K($760), Y60K($570).

the asylum had a fair amt of discussion on the concept but none on commercial products. I have tried twice to get an acct on assylym but failed?

I live in Japan(from U.S.) where Nitty Gritty and VPIs cost 2X+ the U.S., refer to same discunion page.

I am just getting into vinyl so have few records but want to get started. I am going to have to import a VPI or Nitty Gritty which will add $100-$150 for shipping maybe 15% duty not to mention the admin effort(still cheaper than local purchase). I am considering cheapo manual gerry rigged route by manually washing and using vacuum with dedicated/custom brush.
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Showing 2 responses by mrkidknow

I have to agree with Ogsarg that there is strong potential to trash an LP via ultrasonic cavitation.

I formulate water-based cleaners for aerospace and general industrial cleaning. The majority of these cleaners are used in ultrasonic tanks.

Several parameters are relevant to preventing damage;

1. Duration of exposure to ultrasonics - leave the parts in too long and erosion damage can occur, especially on softer substrates.

2. Frequency choice - if ultrasonics is to be used on an LP, you cannot use 20-25 kHz. A good starting point would be 40 kHz but even higher is better. As the frequency is lowered, the cavitation becomes more violent. Never clean aluminum in a 25 kHz ultrasonic tank because you will literally tear the metal apart. 40 kHz is safe on aluminum as long as the exposure time is not excessive; try to limit exposure to 5 minutes max. Vinyl is softer than aluminum so I would be very concerned about even using 40 kHz. However, 40 kHz can still be safe if the power input is low. There are also ways to mediate the cavitational energy through racking and cleaner design, etc.

3. Temperature - only clean at room temperature on vinyl but this should be obvious because heat will warp records. Industrial ultrasonic cleaning is often run at 120 - 170°F.

4. You generally want to use a foamy cleaner because a foamy cleaner enhances cavitation. An aqueous cleaner that becomes cloudy when diluted and is low foaming will not yield as good cavitational performance because the design does not enhance cavitation. Conversely, a low foam cleaner can still work, especially if it dampens cavitation just enough to minimize erosion of the vinyl.

5. A rinse step should follow the wash step if possible which adds another tank.

There probably are a couple other factors worth going into but I'll leave it as is for now.

I think this instrument will be too expensive to be practical for nearly all vinyl lovers. I think the potential to screw-up the record is too great. You would be better off buying or custom building a vacuum cleaning unit and using a good commercial cleaner such as the RLL product line than to venture down the road of ultrasonics.

Mr. Kidknow
Dougdeacon,

No problem in at least trying to contribute on this subject.

Although I have strong reservations about using ultrasonics on vinyl, this doesn't mean that a system cannot be designed that is quite safe. Bent Audio and any other companies that are investigating this must be putting a good amount of time and observation into the concept in order to eventually know if their product will be safe or not.

I just have serious concerns that the number of variables that can be missed in product developement will come back to haunt users. Due to the likely high cost of such equipment, those users will be pissed-off bigtime is something does go wrong.

Personally, I'll stick with brushing and vacuuming since it is an already proven technology.

Mr. Kidknow