I agree with Zd. In terms of sales, Bose is probably the top brand. It has instant name recognition with the buying public and vast majority of non-audiophiles believe them to be the best available. No doubt - they are the top speaker brand.
WRT to you second question; are they worth the money? No!
The speaker that is worth the money is whatever one sounds best to you, driven by your amp and in your room. If you derive satisfaction from it, then its worth the money.
Curious, why you would ask such a question. |
To echo Mrc and Zd, yeah we were having fun. Don't consider Bose ever as a speaker worthy of having. Its overpriced, plastic junk. But I stand by my assertion that it truly is the Top Brand!
In terms of sales and sadly, public perception, 9 out of 10 people do not know nor care about quality audio, yet they are all aware of Bose. This is due to their massive and brilliant marketing campaigns. So its the Top Brand.
Your question is kind of difficult to answer. We would really need to have some idea of budget and more importantly, application - multi-channel HT or 2 channel Music? IMO, most speakers can do movies in HT applications but not all can do music. Because of the overwhelming popularity of HT systems, especially being bought by non-audiophiles, the top brands are different than those being used by 2 channel folks. If I were to give a list, the brands would be grouped under these two applications.
Just keep reading, learning and most important - when your ready to pull the trigger, go out and listen for yourself. Audition, audition, audition! Good luck brother. |
Per Bo...
"Paraneer; you need to learn to think further before you make remarks."
But when I am addressing one of your posts Bo, I hardly have to think at all.
And here is another quote from Bo...
"The way you react is what most people do"
I am not the least bit surprised that I have the same reaction as just about everyone else toward you Bo.
Have a nice day and don't forget about the REL thread I tipped you off on. Another golden opportunity to bash them. Better hop to it. |
Per Bo...
"If you have all my knowledge and compared all the stuff I did you don't even want Naim for free in your house.
I can easilly overrule their sound and quality. I have proven this more than ones."
Wow, and I thought he was bad last year. He finally learned to spell "when" and he is now out of control with his posts.
Come on Bo, level with us. Do you really believe the crap you write or is all this howling simply for our entertainment? Take your above post for example. Its better than the Sunday funny pages.
Also, there is a new thread going on about REL subs. I'm surprised you haven't jumped on it. You're missing an opportunity to bash them. Don't bother to thank me. |
Classic Bo...
On 6/2 Bo wrote "Audio is about quality."
On 6/4 Bo wrote "It depends Always about the price."
And in the same thread on 6/8 Bo wrote "Audio Always will be a personal matter."
So which is it Bo? Do you really have any idea what your writing anymore? I think the meltdown may be close at hand. |
I was starting to get bored Bo and was going to let this go, but I can't leave this thread with you thinking that somehow you were "hard" on me. You believe way too much about yourself already.
If being hard on me is making snide comments about my "list of stuff", no problem. I realize you cannot cross pens with me so you must resort to innuendos about my system. You have tried this before with others and to no avail. Besides, I am happy with my system and proud to say that I do not own one component that is Bo approved. In other words, I own no brands you sell.
And regarding me getting personal. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Lets just say that I am at the stage in my life where I can only tolerate a BS'er to a point. And you pal made my BS detector go into overdrive. Some may be too gentlemanly to call you on it, but I'm not.
So yes, it's a free world and I suggest you stop your crying about this. When you post absolute crap with no written proof to back your statements, be prepared to take the heat. Some of us may call you on it.
Now I am done with this thread Bo. Until your next insufferable diatribe about something else that's too over the top to leave alone. |
I am only posting this in reply to your question Zd.
Statements like Marantz, Arcam, etc are 2 dimensional but Pass Labs, Onkyo, etc are 3 dimensional. We have heard this over and over again Zd and just not restricted to the above brands I site. I have never seen a spec for dimensionality for an amp in over 30 years. Yet, he repeats these statements like gospel. So where the written proof? There is none - its subjective opinion.
How about this most recent example...
"If you have all my knowledge and compared all the stuff I did you don't even want Naim for free in your house.
I can easilly overrule their sound and quality. I have proven this more than ones."
His words, not mine. He says he proven it. So show us. How exactly do you overrule Naims sound and quality? And don't say by 16 years of listening which is the usual retort. That's not proof - again, its subjective hyperbole. |
Well Seikosha, you asked a very clear, intelligent and valid question and I quote you.... "I asked for the name of the show(s) that he was given this title and for any links (foreign languages are even okay) of website mentions but never received a response." And you were told to write to Monitor Audio and basically seek your own proof and I quote a certain someone... "Send an email to: [email protected]Ask them about the show in Veldhoven 2013. And ask them the email address of the persons who were at the show of Monitor Audio england." Seems to me if I were named best in show, I would at least remember the name of the person bestowing the honor. And be willing to share it with a link to an article proving it. Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. |
Why do you keep directing comments to me Bo? I said I was done with you several posts ago and my last few were directed to Zd and Seikosha. Yet you keep trying to drag me back in with silly accusations about making things personal, and immature attacks about equipment I have. At least I have pics posted to prove what I have. What pics or proof do you have Bo that own you anything at all?
I didn't ask for proof about you being the absolute best in show. Seikosha did and twice you won't provide it. Why can't you simply offer the names of the persons who bestowed this honor on you Bo along with a link to an article substantiating your claims? Then we will all be satisfied, apologize for doubting you and you will have earned some much needed credibility. This is how adults act. This is how a real man acts. He owns up to his claims and provides proof. He doesn't make silly attacks on Pioneer AVR's like a schoolboy.
Unless you can start proving your wild claims Bo, I can only surmise you are a fraud and worse, really know little about audio. Perhaps you should consider another hobby because this one seems to be blurring your reality. Now please go ahead and get in last word because I truly don't care what a fraud thinks about me or what I have. But a word of advice - you would be much better off providing proof of your best in show claim than continuing petty attacks on me.
Unless you miss me. |
Thanks Bo. I look forward to receiving them and when I do and if they pan out, I will be sure to share the info with everyone else here in this thread. Hopefully it won't be too long.
Meanwhile, have a good one. |
If you look at my last post Bo, I gave you a sincere thank you. And what do you do, more schoolboy taunts.
Classy Bo. Real classy. Nevertheless, I will await the emails from MA and Onkyo even though it appears it may take a week.
Hey, what is the name of the audio show in Veldhoven that you named absolute best in show at? Was it the X-Fi 2013 High End Audio Show in Veldhoven? |
Thanks again Bo. Appreciate you giving us the name of the show and links. Now your really starting to step up to the plate.
The above is a compliment in America, not a slam by the way. So don't take it the wrong way.
From your revealing post above, we have definitely established a few things. One, you do sell audio products, whether through direct retail or consultancy and two, you have a relationship with Onkyo and Monitor Audio, the two brands you love to push.
So, when your buddies from Onkyo and Monitor Audio email to tell me their products were best in show, I won't be surprised. After all, I wouldn't expect them to say Pioneer or B&W. I'll keep my word and let everyone on the forum know that employees of Onkyo and Monitor Audio said Bo's presentation of their products were the best at the show. |
Sounds like Bo is shocked that another person does not buy into his self proclaimed audio god status. He has resorted to his usual childish insults against yet another member that has shown keen insight into who and what he really is.
Great post Csmgolf! |
Your problem is that your still stuck in the 3rd Dimension Bo. It seems that others on this forum, such Onhwy61 and Metralla are light years ahead of you.
Hell, even I told you last year that that when I heard Wedding Bell Blues and Up, Up and Away that I truly heard the music of the 5th Dimension!
Did you listen to me then Bo? Have you ever heard the music of the 5th Dimension like I have? Probably not. |
With each post Bo, you go a little further beyond the pale and over the edge of reality. Not that I expect you to know this.
So, not only are you a self-proclaimed audio god but you now tell us you have the body of Adonis too. And most us are just fat slobs. I quote you again...
"People were a little affraid when I came into their room. Most people in audio are fat. But I am big with a atletic figure. It provokes some people. But who cares."
This is now getting beyond even audio. I wonder what part of your anatomy we will hear about next that is oversized like your head?
Come on everyone...how can anyone take this guy seriously after a post like this? |
Good analogy Tls but I attribute his behavior as a result of one of four possibilities...
1. He was dropped on his head too many times as a baby.
2. He was over lavished with praise, affection and money as a child.
3. He constantly forgets to takes his morning meds as an adult.
4. Or all of the above.
And he can't prove one damned thing that he spouts off.
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More boasting from Bo...
"I have even proven that I beat a Marantz KI integrated of 3000 dollar with a Onkyo 5010 with Pro. It was superior in every single aspect you Judge an amp for."
I have the Marantz PM15S2, that is very similar to the KI Pearl. And in my opinion, these Marantz integrateds are very good sounding and extremely well built amps. Further, I need no DSP to get the performance I want for stereo. I rely on careful speaker placement and an understanding of room acoustics. Along with properly matching an amps output to the load given by the speaker. And as happy as I am with the results, I would never make the claims that you do. Because it is still an opinion and opinions are like A**Holes Bo. We all have them.
So I am curious how exactly you have proven that the Onkyo AVR with Audyssey Pro is superior for 2 channel stereo. You say "you have proven" it. Along with "every single aspect you judge an amp for". Pretty strong words sport. I don't know about you, but most EE's judge aspects of an amps performance by benching it and evaluating the numbers. And numbers can be offered as written proof.
So, just how would you prove your statements to the forum Bo? |
Per Bo..."Depth give instruments and voices a much more realistic and involving experience.
Same thing about an intimate physical stage. This part Marantz does not own."
And you base this statement on what proof Bo?
More Bo..."When you compare the more expensive Marantz amps with Pass labs in sound realism, they are of a much lower level."
I thought your were comparing the upper level Marantz amps to a mainstream Onkyo AVR Bo. Now its Pass Labs??? Make up your mind. |
Well Bo, true to your word you had one of your buddies at Monitor Audio NL post a message that you did an incredible job with their own equipment. I don't think any of us are surprised by their opinion about their own equipment though.
Thank Marja for a well written post even if it doesn't say that Bo was best in show. I see no need to email her or Onkyo for that matter. This isn't the kind of critical feedback the forum was expecting.
But good job making your bosses happy! |
Bo, your words..."I spoke with Onkyo about it. I will try to get it from them as well. I got an email that I was right about the words I used. I will send you a personal message when I recieved it."
As indicated in my last post, don't bother. Whatever Onkyo or Marja had to say is just their SUBJECTIVE opinion and meaningless to most of us on the forum. Of course, they are going to say they are impressed with the sound of equipment they MANUFACTURE and SELL! But you said, you were the absolute best sound at the show. Only a panel of independent judges voting you the best in show, would carry some OBJECTIVE meaning when trying to prove your boasts.
Again, good job pleasing your bosses but its pretty meaningless to me. Just because Onkyo or MA says their products are the best, and so are you who they pay for consulting, doesn't make anyone want to buy one. Unless consumers are truly that gullible in your country but I doubt it. Its no different than a Mother saying her newborn is the beautiful baby in the world. Even if the baby looks like ET.
For the thousandth time, don't you get it??? |
