the sound of massed violins in classical orchestral recordings


why do massed violins have this sort of gritty sandpapery reverberation in classical orchestral recordings?even in some sections of a piece, when the violins are playing softly in the background, you hear that gritty overtone more than the melody.when I listen to the Houston symphony in Jones Hall,sitting fourth row, facing the violin section, I don't hear that sound.I have three systems { two of them mid-fi ] and I hear the same thing-even with headphones.in all instances, the other parts of the orchestra are clear.  my main system : Vanalistine Trancendence 10 tube preamp,a 35 year old solid state Proton D1200 amp, [have tried NAD,Project, Musical Fidelity amps--they don't sound any better],Onkyo dx7555 CD player [Stereophile class B],and Project Carbon turntable with Grado Black 2 cartridge [ the Ortophon Red was too bright ] through Magnepan MG12/QR speakers.Tried a highly regarded Elac speaker--no change as far as the violins go, but way inferior to those dramatic Maggies.So, there you have it. Is it the equipment? Is the state of the art not up to recording violins? Is it me? [its o.k.-I can take it}. In closing,a couple of years ago,I had phone conversation with a well known person associated with a major speaker company about this. His response :[ paraphrased ] Violins are a problem--don't like 'em.  Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Massed strings were always a problem with me.  Even with a tube preamp, the problem persisted.  Only after I changed amp and speakers did things get better.  And it took a while until the speakers broke in before the situation improved.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think IC’s and power plugs made a difference, even though I upgraded all of those.  
It’s really a hard issue to track down.
Good luck!
Since I resolved the problem, I don’t hear the “grittiness“ of massed violins on any source anymore. I think the problem may be with your amplifier,  or with your DAC, if the source is digital.
if you choose to replace your old amp, I would suggest a home trial of a neutral sounding one such as the Benchmark AHB2.  100 wpc, same as yours.  Sounds fine with massed violins in my system.
cal91,

Ironic, I just started a thread on that subject.  Let’s see what happens.
Retired classical musician here too.
Just listening to Karajan’s 1963 performance of Beethoven’s Eroica on Idagio.
Violins and strings couldn’t be sweeter or more natural.
GoldenEar Triton 1 speakers used or 1R new.  Very smooth.
Aforementioned Benchmark AHB2 amplifier.  I combine with a tube preamp (Conrad-Johnson).
 I listen to 95% classical, mostly symphonic, with these components.  Never a problem with massed violins sound, even in poor recordings, yet very revealing and transparent.