Subdued Voices - Phase problem?


I recently moved my speakers around to equalize the distance to my prime listening position. When I found the "sweet spot" where voices sounded like they were coming from the center, it had an unfortunate side effect: the voices receded back into the soundstage, and their volume was significantly lower than sounds coming from either side. On many albums (although not all), it is now hard to make out the singer over the louder instrumental accompanyment. I have checked the phase of the speaker wires, and everything looks correct. Any suggestions?

My system is: Flac music server over Squeezebox to Benchmark DAC1 Pre to Bel Canto Ref 1000 mono blocks to NHT Classic Three speakers. Cables: radioshack Toslink from Squeezebox to DAC; Balanced Kimber Hero to amp; Speltz Anti Cable speaker wires.
alsteinnj
I've experienced some of what you describe with certain system configurations. It is probably room acoustics or more likely speaker placement. Try moving the speakers closer together, one inch at a time, if you are experiencing vacant center fill. Walk around the room while listening. Does the volume of the vocals change? Are you using room acoustic devices, particularly at the first reflection points along the sidewalls?
What is the distance to the speakers arer you listening near-field or far-field?

Your speakers are only designed for near-field listening. With the kind of power that you have to drive them, it is likely that your are compressing in the midrange and the woofer ringing is mucking up your lower midrange with distortion. These are great speakers but you might need better ones - given your gear. Did you move the speakers further away by any chance?

Soundstage measurements suggest a problem from the metal cone around 400 HZ at higher listening levels. Also in general this woofer might be teh culprit - woofer distortion messing up the lower midrange is all too common. (Metal or rigid type cones ring like a bell - something that becomes more noticeale when driven hard)

You gave very little information - so my wild guess could be off track. IMHO - this is a great speaker for listening at MODEST volumes.
Thanks for the responses. The voices become much more distinct outside of the "sweet spot." If I stand on either side, the "muting" effect disappears. I am listening fairly close, in a medium sized room. Speakers are about two feet from the back and side walls, and about 9 feet from the listening position. Room dimensions are roughly 12 x 16 feet. No accoustic treatment (although the entire room has cherry panelling, and book shelves along one wall).

One really odd aspect is how much the effect varies by recording. For instance, on any Nora Jones recording, her voice is crystal clear and near the front of the soundstage. On most other recordings, it sounds like the recording engineer lowered the gain on the singer's microphone.
One really odd aspect is how much the effect varies by recording. For instance, on any Nora Jones recording, her voice is crystal clear and near the front of the soundstage. On most other recordings, it sounds like the recording engineer lowered the gain on the singer's microphone

Another possibility is that one woofer is FRIED or is sticking or rubbing in its voice coil. This would affect male vocals more than Norah. Another issue could be phase on the woofers - if one is wired out of phase then it could sound ok except for sounds between 300 and 800 Hz - lower midrange.
Have you moved them back to original positions to see if the problem is still there?
Any chance speaker cables got closer to a ac cord or some cables got crossed over the top of others?
FWIW: I would consider upgrading the speakers at some point anyway (next
step). They are nice speakers at their price point - possibly even giant killers -
but your source and amplification could easily drive something a bit higher end
- especially at nine feet back from the speakers (you lose about 9 db SPL at that
distance which places you close to their upper limit when listening at moderately
loud levels - dynamics may be lost and sound may be strained/distorted)
Moving the speakers closer together helped, as did moving the listening position a bit closer. I don't think I was overdriving the speakers. In fact, the balance is better louder. Thanks for the advice. I really love these speakers, but I recognize they are now the weak link in the chain. If I upgrade, I'm thinking about the Usher Tiny Dancers, the Harbeth 7ES or the Dynaudio C1, but convincing the spouse is not going to be easy. If they just came in a glossy black, I could probably slip them in . . .
The Stereophile Test CD has two phase test tracks that will allow you to diagnose any phase issues.
I have seen speaker pairs with one driver wired out of phase.
Good luck