SF Power 1s with Thiel CS 2.3s Enuf Pwr?


I love the sound of the Sonic Frontier's Power 1 Tube Amp. I am thinking about pairing them with a pair of Thiel CS 2.3 Loudspeakers. Thiel recommends at least 100 Watts per channel to drive the speakers. The Power 1 has only 55 Watts but it is a Tube Amp. Has anyone tried this combination? Will it drive the speakers or do I have to go to a Power2 Amp with 110 Watts? thanks for your help. jts
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Im feeding my 2.3's with 400 wpc into 4 ohms from a Bryston 4b-st, no looking back. While I was waiting for the Bryston to arrive, I briefly (VERY briefly) tried running the Thiels off of a 60wpc Yamaha. It was a real bad idea. Not only did it sound awful, but I was terrified that someone was going to get hurt. Your best source of advice, however, will be Thiel itself. You can get the e-mail from their website and they are very good about getting back to you with great advice in a couple of days. There is a good chance that they have had some experience with exactly the combination you are asking about and will be happy to share. I do know, however, that when they recommend 100wpc, they mean into 8ohms--so, for all intents and purposes, their recomendation is for an amp that will present 200wpc into a 4 ohm load (which essentially all the their speakers are). In effect, the Thiels thrive off of high current amps, something for which pure wats is sometimes only a rough surrogate. Tubes, I think, can somehow change the equation and shouldn't be ruled out just because you're considering Thiels. (Ok, I am now hypothesising beyond my means, shoot Thiel an e-mail, they'll give it to you straight). Best of luck.
Ok, I admit, but this one puzzles me. Back when I was wondering if anything was actually going to explode if I tried to make the Thiels go with a 60wpc receiver, I sent an e-mail to Thiel asking essentially the same question. Their reply was that, as long as the receiver was built to handle a 4 ohm load, it should be fine to use it temporarily as long as it was kept at relatively low volumes. If if it wasn't designed to handle to load, however, using it could be a genuinely poor idea. It was in this same e-mail that they (Shari, so she, actually) explained the business about their 100-300wpc guideline for the 2.3's being intended for an 8 ohm load, and that what they really intended to convey was that the speakers would thrive most on 200-600wpc from an amp driving a 4 ohm load (which the speakers are). (Puzzlement...then why not say that?!?). That said, she did admit that this was only a guideline and that the good folks of Thiel had had a lot of great results with tubed amps putting out significantly fewer wpc. She then explained that this was all very logical because of something to do with current that the double whammie of imperfect understanding and imperfect memory has completely done away with. Hence, this is the bit that has me confused, so if someone who understands this electricity thing could set me straight, it would be swell. (And yes, I looked for said e-mail. No luck.)
Pops, I'm using some Kimber Monocle XL's with the Homegrown Silver Solution IC's. I have to admit that I was a diehard nay-sayer when it came to expensive wires for the longest time. But when the Kimbers came up for a great price, I decided what the hey, why not give it a try. Oh my, did it ever make a difference. Must have been that my old speaker wires (Apature Signature Series 500--beats me, I got'em cheap) were woefully the weak link in the system, but the switch to the Kimber's was simply dramatic and the single best addition to the system to date. I may still experiment with more IC's, but when it comes to speaker cable, I'm done.
Geeze, I just can't shut up...one correction, though, I'm using the Homegrown Super Silver IC's, not the Silver Solution. May just have to try their new Silver Lace--word on the street is that they really are all that... Cheers