Rogue Audio hard to resell, has it fallen out of favor ?


I've had a Rogue Sphinx 3 listed for a month at what sure looks to be a great price- $899. A few half hearted inquiries who then go dark. The unit is $1600 new. I haven't even gotten any low ball offers- which usually happens with any item I post, its part of the process. Meanwhile I've sold a Pass 250.8, An ARC REF150SE, and two other expensive amps with little trouble. 

 

Is the low end of the market suffering? Is Rogue falling out of favor ? My listing is at least $100 lower than a similar one and I think they're both priced fairly. I'll keep it rather than list for any lower. 

 

Any idea of what's going on ? 

 

thanks

speedthrills

Showing 2 responses by goodlistening64

Could be that the Rogue Sphinx debuted in 2014 and then the V2 was introduced in 2016. Followed by the V3 in 2020. 

Hence, there are those that will wait for (how much longer?) for the V4 to come out. I mean, the law of averages is that there should be a new version this year.

Rogue brought out the V2 of the RP-5 not long ago and- just before and just after- I saw a spike of RP-5's on sale on the usual sites. Fair drop in price after the new version appeared.

Each audio mfg differs and when you consider how few times a company like Rega comes out with a new product vs. a company like Rogue - which has a fair amount of offerings out there and in the pipe - it would make sense that a Rogue product that is "due" for a upgrade is also found readily available on the used market.

It is also likely that the market of many sub-$1000 integrated's is inundated with popular well-known brands (Denon, Marantz, Sony, Yamaha, etc) and while we all know about Rogue on this site, the vast majority of the public is not as acquainted with them. Perhaps if Rogue was sold in Best Buy, or via Crutchfield, they would have much more name recognition. Although the Sphinx is was never a sub-$1000 integrated offering. Plus there is no HT Bypass - like the RP-1 - nor a processor loop. Perhaps if they made it more home theater usable instead of offering it with good phono and headphone inputs they could gain market share for a wider audience. 

@OP

Curious, for those that have one on the market...why are you selling it?

@helomech

It doesn’t help that it received a rather scathing review by ASR. That and both ASR and Stereophile measurements reveal the Sphinx falls considerably short of meeting its claimed power spec.

Amir at ASR predominately does not listen to the products he measures. It is also well known in ASR forums that tube amps/preamps do not measure as well as SS, due to the added distortion that tubes provide.

I would also point out that if you actually study where this amp falls with others in his measurements graph, you will notice that tube amps are on the lower end of measurements (again they add distortion which does not "measure" well but that is the point for buyers) and that the best measuring devices are pretty much in the order of cost. While there are exceptions to every rule, a more expensive amp will measure better than one that is less expensive. Not surprising. In fact, most of what Amir comes up with is not surprising, but it does instigate chatter.

As for Stereophile, longtime reviewer Herb R. reviewed it (listened to it) and finished his view with this quote:

I promise, you have my word: The Rogue Sphinx V3 will someday be remembered, like the original NAD 3020 integrated amp, as one of the greatest high-value audio products of all time.

Per his analysis, the Rogue Sphinx excels in the phono stage and headphone amp sections. This is typical of all Rogue products. You get what you pay for.

Also, while the two tubes in the Sphinx are at the input stage, and not the output, changing out those tubes does elevate the sound.

On a personal note, I had a Prima Luna Preamp for a couple of years. Enjoyed it, but was not in love with the sound or synergy that it gave to my SS amps. Amir had measured it’s predecessor, the Dialogue, a year before and panned it.

About two years ago I was able to sell the Prima Luna I had for a fair amount more than I had paid for it. A first in my journey of buying and selling audiophile equipment! While there is some truth in that the turnover of that piece of gear was pandemic related, Prima Luna products have gone up in price because they are wildly popular, even though they do not measure well.