Review: Vandersteen 3a Sig Speaker

Category: Speakers

First, a little about me. I've been an audiophile for 30 years and have been listening to and playing music ever since I can remember. My tastes run to classical and jazz, but I've got quite a bit of rock, from classic to alternative, in my collection. I came of age with the "West Coast Sound" of JBL speakers, moved through more gear including Cerwin Vega noisemakers, maggies, original B&W 801's, and EPOS ES14's. My systems are generally what I would call "Value" audiophile given that I cannot afford the expensive stuff, but I think I have been able to put together musically satisfying systems.

Two years ago, after shelving my audiophile hobby for about 5 years to have kids, buy a house and so on, I got back into the gear and the music. My EPOS ES14's (great speakers) couldn't perform well in my large living room so I dusted off my ears and ventured out on a qwest to find the next best thing. My wife was understanding and let me foray into high end stores to listen over the course of several weekends spread out over months. Since there is no way for any normal human to listen to all the great speakers out there, I had to make my decision based on what I could actually listen to within a reasonable distance from my home.

I auditioned the B&W nautilus range, dynaudio speakers, Totems, Audio Physic models, some monitor audio speakers, and a smattering of others informally auditioned. This was not an easy task. The hardest thing was to maintain the "sonic signature" of a particular speaker from one dealer when trying to compare it to a speaker at another store. I could not A-B speakers so had to gradually listen for specific elements in the sound to eventually determine which speaker(s) did things I liked.

Certain patterns emerged as I did my listening. The B&W nautilus line was almost uniformly "tizzy". It is unfortunate that this fine brand seems to have degraded its quality. The sound was quite hard in the midrange, even in the Nautilus 801. Another pattern I observed was degraded low bass performance in speakers with ported designs.

A few things made the 3A's standouts compared to the other speakers I auditioned:

1. Bass performance is excellent. The Vandys have had a reputation for boomy bass, Not so! The speakers produce bass when its there, and don't when it is not. The 3A's go very low and maintain the tonal character of the bass instrument better than any of the other speakers I auditioned. They actually produce a "resonance" below the tonality of the instrument, creating a much more realistic and believable reproduction. For example, the very low bass drum hits in the early "Gladiator" soundtrack resonated beautifully with the 3A's. The clincher for me was the descending bass line in Led Zeppelin's "dazed and Confused" track. This is a very powerful bass line that goes quite low. The Vandy's handled it and I could define the bass as a fretted instrument even on the lowest tone. Every other speaker (with ports) turned the bass into more of a low bass "tone" as it descended. The 3A's go low, but maintain instrument definition. Plucked accoustic bass sounds incredibly real on the vandys.

2. Midrange. Very smooth. While some complain of a "laid back" quality to Vandersteen speakers, I think it is just the absence of distortion coupled with a flatter reponse than that found in many other speakers. A lot of manufacturers brighten up the mids and highs to improve definition and create a sense of "presence". This also creates listener fatigue. The 3A's incorporate very low distortion drivers. Everything is there, its just that the 3A's don't hit you over the head with the detail, as many other speakers do. I experience almost no listener fatigue with the 3A's.

3. "Musical" preformance. There are times when the Vandys simply produce an extremely realistic representation of an orchestra. Also, vocals, jazz, and piano all come across with superb tonal accuracy and realism. Again, detail is there, but in a real way. For example, when the orchestra is playing at moderately loud levels, it sounds like an orchestra, not a collection of overbright instruments - midrange detail is present, but not exaggerated as it
is in so many other high end speakers.

4. Sound-stage. This is very good, although many of the other speakers I listened to also performed well here. The Vandys work well for me because of my large living room - the drivers are placed fairly high up so the speaker produces a nice "tall" soundstage.

5. Non-fatiguing. My ears never hurt with the 3A's. With some of the other speakers I auditioned, the fatigue was very bad and I couldn't listen more than 25 minutes or so.

Are they perfect? Well no, nothing is. There are a few things to note about these speakers:

a. Overall, they tend to have a warmer tone. If you love super detailed sound or "sizzling highs and thunderous bass" the 3A's may not be for you. They are accurate speakers that sound their best, in my opinion, with classical music, jazz, and acoustic instuments. They can go high and low and produce good bass output, they just don't do it all the time as many "forward" speaker designs do.

b. Rock and Roll. This is a tough genre to reproduce on any speaker because of the stress of the music and the horrible engineering and production values on so many rock sources. The Vandersteen 3A's change their sonic character dramatically to reflect what's coming off a CD. Since Rock is frequently compressed and otherwise mangled by engineers, some rock CDs sound horrible on the Vandys since the speakers are completely unforgiving of low quality source material. If you have a big collection of unremastered rock cds and listen primarily to rock, audition these speakers very carefully. Of course, I tell everyone to buy a PA system if you want your rock CDs to sound like rock played live - PA systems are great for playing rock!

c. Size and weight. Each speaker weighs 90 pounds and they are tricky to move because they aren't made with wood cabinets so one has to take care not to puncture the grills when moving them. Logistically they are difficult to set up because of their weight and dimensions.

Since I bought the Vandys, I have listened to more speakers, incuding Cantons, Gallo Acoustic, Acoustic Energy AE-1's, Triangle Titus 200, Elac, Definitive Technology, Avant Garde, Linn Ninka's, and a few low-fi brands. The Triangle and Avant Garde brands are worth auditioning. I can't say for sure that I would switch from the Vandys even if money were no object. Eventually, yes, there are some great speakers out there that I would like to own. However, the 3A sigs are fantastic all-around speakers that aren't too fussy about cables and electronics. Ease of ownership is important to me.

Overall, it is difficult to find a full range speaker with the performance of the 3A's especially at their price point. Leaving wood cabinets off the speaker helps to dramatically reduce their cost. Although this is an overused phrase, the 3A's do sound as good or better than many speakers costing 2 or 3 times as much. My system is modest, so I have a long way to go to really tap into the sonic potential of these speakers.

If you have the room and want a high performance full range speaker, you should listen to the 3A's

Associated gear
Two channel Preamp - Adcom GFP-750
Surround processor - Rotel 965
Amp - Rotel 985 MK11
CD - AMC CDM7 with tube DAC

Similar products
B&W 801's (originals), EPOS ES14, B&W Nautilus 805, 803, 801, Dynaudio Contour 3.0, Audio Physic Tempo and Virgo, Totem Forrest.
I have had a set of Vandy 3A Signature speakers for about 2 years, and I think your description of their strengths (and minor "weaknesses") is pretty accurate. In many of my posts, I have also stressed the point (maybe ad nauseum) that I have a strong value orientation to audio gear, and I think the Vandy 3A Sig's offer extraordinary value (price vs. performance).

For future reference, you can improve the 3A Sig's even more -- to the point where they offer 85-90% of the performance of the Vandy Model 5's -- by adding a pair of Vandy 2Wq subwoofers. I added a pair of these subs late last year, and frankly have been amazed by how much they improved the overall sound quality of my system. Not only has the deep bass improved (not too surprising), but the mid-range and lower treble experienced substantial improvements in clarity, transient response, and dynamics, as well as further refinement in imaging and sound staging.

My other suggestion is to audition the Alpha-Core Goertz MI2 speaker cable (in bi-wire configuration) with your Vandy 3A Sig's. My local Vandersteen dealer talked me into trying these speaker cables, saying that they seemed to have excellent synergy with Vandersteen speakers, and I can only agree emphatically. They are a wonderful match with the Vandy 3A Sig's, perhaps because the cables feature very low impedance, thereby extending the frequency response and also yielding better damping by the amplifier. The Goertz MI2 (copper) cables replaced my long-time value leader, Kimber Kable 8TC, and I'm so pleased with their performance that I really encourage other Vandy 3A Sig owners to try the Goertz MI2 (copper). The MI2 cable sells for slightly less than the Kimber 8TC, and is thus -- in my book -- a very high value product.
I too own a pair of the Vandersteen 3A Signatures. I have found that every step up in associated equipment has made a impact in the sound. Tara Labs speaker cables(bi-wire Master Generation 2) work extremely well with these speakers. I have also found that biamping offered a more than suttle improvement.
In reading other peoples comments about these speakers, one common thread seems to be the slight warmth imparted. I really believe this is a bi-product of set up and room management. In my dedicated listening room, you can actually move the speakers around and go from warmth to a moderately lean sound. Alot depends on how the low end of the speaker is set up. If you go for maximum low energy, then warmth is imparted. But go for soundstaging and clarity and you will find a slight leaness through the bottom that gives just unbelievable clarity through the mids and highs.
It took me about a month of allowing the speakers to break in and various room locations to arrive at a ideal balance. At this point, sound wraps around the room almost like a multi channel system. The speakers are no longer there, just a huge soundfield in both height, width and depth. I really haven't heard anything that I would trade at this point for the sound I have now. I too have been through the B&W Nautilus line, Martin logans, Maggies and others. Each has its strong points but to me lost out in the TOTAL sound reproduced top to bottom. I have been at this "Hobby" for about 35 years and finally have gotten close to my ideal.
I'm about to embark on a pair of Vandersteen 2WQ's and see what happens. I really feel this could be it!
My equipment is a pair of upgraded McCormack DNA .5's, a Meridian 508-24, Audible Illusions L-1 linestage and Tara Lab's "The 2" interconnects and Master Generation II speaker cables.
I've owned Vandersteen 2ce Sig.s for about 6months now and am very pleased with them except for the aspect mentioned by others inthis thread-- that a fair amount of volume is needed before they really sound like much.My solution for now was to use a y-connector out of tHe Musical Fidelity A3 cd player into a MF A300 integrated for the vandys and at the same time into Antique MGSI 15DT 5/15 watt tube amp into Triangle Titus 202s This way I've got high/normal volume and low volume covered. At present am using Sonic Horizon shotgun biwires with the vandys but am curious about hearing mapleshade. As you can see, value is a big deal with me. ---John
Limited clarity in the mids is definitely a limitation of my Vandersteens, compared e.g. to the exquisite Avalon Opus
(which retail for 3-4 times as much) However the Vandersteen's have the same heft, tight bass presentation and sweet highs as the Opus to my ears and present classical music to the listener quite well.

Cables to consider: I recently purchased the Magnan Signature speaker cables (a flat ribbon design; you have to be eclectic to like their looks). The Vandersteen's benefit significantly from the reduced skin effect design. Their already excellent coherence improves.
Thanks to all for your responses to my review. Lots of great suggestions and I am thinking about adding another subwoofer. I am using a Vandersteen V2W sub for my home theatre but don't recommend it stand-alone for music as it has only line level inputs. I spoke with Richard Vandersteen before buying the sub and he indicated two subs were needed - he was right - a V2W and a 2WQ would work better. The Vandersteen subs are built on the original philosophy of imparting more presence to the bass, rather than crushing you with tons of output as many theatre oriented subs do.

I upgraded my sources with a Rega turntable and added jitter correction to my 3 SONY 400CD jukeboxes and the sound is much improved. More detail, leaner presentation. So it is clear that the Vandy's will reflect the quality of sources and associated equipment.

I just bought a pair of 13 year old Vandy 1B's for the bedroom - they sound fantastic - beautiful mid-range!