Recording Studio sound Vs. Audiophile system


Has anyone had the opportunity to compare what they hear in a recording studio vs. What they hear in their own system?

i recently had a friend come over and Listen to the album they had just recorded and mixed with a fantastic NYC engineer. The drums were recorded analog in a large studio (the way top albums are) while the rest was recorded digitally.

I was was quite impressed with the sound as the engineer captured the full envelope and dynamic shadings (for a rock record, that is). In fact the engineer doesn’t even allow people to take pictures of his mic positions or Pro tools session settings- I can hear why he’s protective of his secret sauce.


I pushed her for a comparison of what she heard in the studio vs. What she was hearing in my system. She commented that she could hear much more in my system vs. The studio, and would have mixed the vocals diferrently!

I cautioned her to make sure the mastering she was planning on having done doesn’t squash the life out of the tracks, or introduce subtle distortion in an attempt to win the "loudness wars."

I’m getting ready to do a blumlein Stereo recording for another friend in my space and Tonight I played some tracks the Rupert Neve company uploaded comparing seperate guitar and vocal tracks with 2 difference mic pre amps, so perspective buyers can compare. (One I own and one is a newer design/flavor)

https://m.soundcloud.com/rupertnevedesigns/sets/shelford-channel-and-portico-ii-channel-comparison

In an interview The engineer that recorded the demo tracks seemed to prefer the newer preamp over the one I own, as he felt it emulated some of the Classic Neve units and had a bigger sound.

Upon listening to the naked tracks in my system ( Tad cr1’s + PS Audio/Atmasphere electronics and top power conditioning) it was so obvious the newer (retro) design was glossing over the details the older more transparent Portico II design easily revealed.

In fact I could hear lots of flaws in the recording, eq, breath pops, ) with the more transparent pre amp.

My point is that often listening to recordings on my system I think " if only the engineer / producer could hear their work on a system of this level (and in a big room) their aesthetic and technical choices would provide much better recordings.

I often hear to me what sounds like mic pre amp subtly distorting or hitting their dynamic threshold (gain set too high or low) , which makes the sound brittle or hard.

Anyone else with studio vs. Audiophile experience who can chime in?

I know hearing a multi track master can be an incredible and dynamic experience but I’m referring more to the final mixes.
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Showing 1 response by gregkohanmim

Been pondering most of the day as to whether or not I could add any value to this thread.

Perhaps not but I can offer a perspective and I'll try to keep it as quick as I can.

1) I've been a musician for about 35 years and have setup, owned and used three nom-commercial recording studios.

2) My "audiophile" speakers were specifically chosen as they are used for final mix and mastering in one of the largest and most well-known studios globally

3) I recently setup my most recent studio and have just completed recording about 20 songs.

Here's what I've learned:

- There are a lot of cycles that occur between initial recording and final master and just as many pieces of equipment and individuals involved in the process.

-All recorded music these days enters the digital domain - there's nothing we can listen to now that's been created in the last couple decades that remained in the pure analog domain.

- Every studio, every individual, every piece of equipment and most importantly the workflow and priorities vary from project to project.

Here's what I know and what I'm doing now:

- All recording (including mine) is done in what's referred to as a "live room" - this is where all the source tracks are created.  It contains a mix of analog equipment, analog to digital conversions and audio to computer interfaces.  I record live at 24/192Khz which is probably beyond what most studios are doing (for cost reasons) that are still at 96Khz sample rate.

- I do all source recording and track creation on studio monitors first.
- I then do a mix down on headphones that are sonically matched to me speakers.
- Final master is done on my speakers and then I listen and take notes ad tweak repeatedly until everything sounds the way intended before even the first track was recorded.

So in my case, I'm a little bit of odd man out (I suspect) as I own "audiophile" speakers that are also well known for being used to master professional recording and I use them not just to listen to my music library for final master recordings.

I then optimize all my music creation to sound "perfect" on that setup.

And most importantly I will say that - These recordings that are optimized for these speakers/ setup actually sound really really good (way better) on other systems than those that were not.

My system and speakers convey so much detail that there's no way you can get away with shortcuts - so any flaws in final mix (Mix, pan, effects, automation, EQ, staging) and the final master that these will be glaring flaws and in need of rethinking and tweaking to be listenable.

I used to take pages of notes on my main system after final mix and then lather rinse and repeat - Now my workflow consists of bringing the final system into the process iteratively in a per/mix or even per/track basis during the production process.

It has made a huge difference in the outcome and I now know that I could never master an album on my live studio gear and expect it to sound great on the final listening system - maybe I'll lear this over time and how to adapt after years and years of experience...maybe not.

So yeah- The odds that your audiophile system will be able to reproduce brilliant sound that was mixed and mastered on a lesser studio system is to be completely expected and that's how the vast majority of the industry will remain.  Why?

If the recording sounds OK on OK equipment the it will sound OK to the vast majority of listeners and buyers of that recording - pure business and economics.

Dang - Meant to keep it quick - sorry :(

Greg