power/impedence reciprocity


What would you rather have for a medium sized room: an amp that does 125/250/500 watts into 8/4/2 ohms, or an amp that does 250/325/500 watts into 8/4/2 ohms?

It has been explained to me that the 125/250/500 will give more slam, low end detail and control than the 250/325/500. This is because all speakers will go below 1 ohm for short durations during drum beats and other low frequency percussive sounds, and the 250/325/500 falls off more quickly with the load that by the time you get below 1 ohm (or even below 2 ohm) it can't handle the low end nearly as well.

I have always suspected this to be the case, but would like to check my suspicions with some techies. Thanks for the advice.
gboren

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MOST amps that "double down" are simply under-rated at higher impedances for sake of advertising purposes. Most will do WAY more at 8 ohms before clipping than what their rated power specifies. This gives them what appears to be "high current" status and a high "dynamic headroom" rating also. Both tend to add to their status as being signs that the amp is built quite sturdy and able to drive tough loads.

As such, you can see why they might take a lower overall power rating simply for the "doubling down", "slam" and "tremendous peak power capability" that it would offer. If you look at the actual measured power at clipping with various impedances, you would see that the figures were "fudged" somewhere along the line though. The figure for 8 ohm clipping would not be too terribly far off from the 4 ohm point of clipping in many cases. At least not the expected 50% ( or doubling as impedance is halved ) as one might expect.

The exceptions to this would be the amps that come as close as possible to true "voltage sources". These amps basically DO double down ( or come extremely close ) at the point of clipping as the impedance is halved. I know that the Sunfire's ( verified in independent testing and reviews ) do this and i would think that the Innersound might ( not sure ) according to their claims. Some of the other digital based power supply amps might be in the ballpark also.

The bottom line is that you want an amp that has the highest rail voltages and the highest amount of sustained current capacity that can respond quickly. If that sounds like a mouthful and a lot to ask, it is. Even if you were to get all of those things in one amp, that is not to say that you would like the tonal balance or other aspects of the amp. There is a LOT more to building a balanced package than just being able to drive the speaker to high volumes and try to keep it under control. Sean
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Sugar, cost is not a factor here. Look at what the amps clip at and then look at what they are rated for at the various impedances involved. The closer that they come to "doubling down" at the point of clipping, the truer the statement "high current" and "true voltage source" would apply.

The fact that the 100 wpc integrated that you mention does not go up drastically in power as impedance is halved tells me that this manufacturer is actually giving you "more legit" power ratings on this model. He could have rated the 100 wpc model at 70 wpc at 8 and then 140 wpc at 4 and marketed it as "high current", "high dynamic headroom", etc.. As i mentioned before, he would have simply de-rated the high impedance power to make the low impedance output look even more impressive. It would still be the same amp, just with different specs. This follows suite regardless of price.

As to the 50 wpc MORE than doubling as impedance is halved, i would surely tend to believe that the 8 ohm output level has been "deflated". I would venture to say that it is probably quite a bit more powerful than 50 wpc at 8 ohms. Only testing and measurements of the actual component would verify this though.

Some amps just come closer to REALLY doubling down than others. The power output at clipping tells you the amps REAL capacity and just how "beefy" the power supply and output section really are. Sean
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