Jb8312: Not so fast. Next month there will be an 9 SE V3 version that will surpass the previous version in every category. And in September there will be the 9 SE V4, which will make all other NuForce amps obsolete. Gimme a break already. Oh, and pass the ear plugs to protect my ears from the zingy highs. |
Ggil: I may do that audition some day, but unless the NuForce is better than the Pass X350, I'll keep my ARC. Also -- and I'm sure you're aware of this -- the VT100MII and MKIII don't sound all that much alike. I've owned all three versions. Regardless, I'm glad you're enjoying your system with the 4-Jrs. They're incredible for the money. |
Yeah, whatever. So will someone please tell me how many versions of the NuForce amp there have been -- and in what time span? Also, please get back to me when the NuForce people have been around even half as long as Audio Research. But, hey, enjoy your amps. That's what this hobby is all about. |
Stehno: You're still a NuForce dealer, aren't you? I'd imagine that your Legacy speakers are less fatiguing in the high end than those Aerial 10Ts that you used to consider a reference. I'd say they're a whole lot more coherent, too. But perhaps that's your preference. No problem with that.
My system? It's a GNSC-modified Wadia 861se (Reference mod), an Audio Research VT100MKIII and Von Schweikert VR-4Srs. I also have a REL Stadium III and a pair of Dunlavy SC-IIs that I pull out of the closet now and then and am amazed at the brilliance of John Dunlavy . Hard to beat those speakers for the money. My cables are Cardas Neutral Reference (XLR interconnects) and Acoustic Zen Satori (shotgun bi-wire). I use a Kimber Palladian PK-10 on the Wadia with an Audio Magic power conditioner. The Wadia is on a spiked Target stand and sits on Black Diamond cones.
So how many versions of the NuForce amps are there by now? I've lost count. And, by the way, are you now a Legacy dealer, too? |
Stehno: I assume you're a dealer for all of the other products you are recommending. That's fine, but you should mention that up front -- like in your first post on this thread. That's just the ethical thing to do.
To my knowledge, no one has ever accused Cardas cables of being zingy or having an exaggerated high end. And, by the way, my system is not bright at all yet it is highly resolving and highly musical. Also, my amp has a dedicated 20-amp circuit, which is far better than any line conditioning. I've tried probably 10 and while they may help in some areas the tradeoffs were unacceptable to me. I forgot to mention that my amp sits on a Sound Anchor spiked stand.
While the Wadia -- with the SE transport and GNSC extensive damping and isolation -- is fairly immune to vibration, that is one area that I could probably improve upon. I'll check into that with Steve at GNSC. Thanks for reminding me.
Incidentally, with your Legacy speakers (and the Aerials for that matter), which are neither phase- nor time-aligned, more time smear is coming from the speakers than any cable could cause. But I'll bet they sound incredible on highly processed rock 'n' roll recordings played real loud!
I have never heard a non-phase or time-aligned speaker that has as natural a presentation and imaging as speakers that are. You should check some of them out. It's amazing how everything falls into place when a speaker has coherency. Such speakers are ruthlessly revealing of problems with upstream components, even those that are enjoying some almost certainly short-lived popularity. |
Viridian:It makes your amp obsolete -- and worthless in the Audiogon world because it's not the latest greatest. It's a great marketing scheme. |
Viridian: Just try selling a piece of audio equipment on Audiogon that isn't current. You'll quickly discover what I'm saying. |
Marty: Your feedback is perhaps double in quantity, but obviously not in quality. They are both 100 percent positive. With 36 transactions, I think I have a pretty good handle on how these things go. You know darn well that stuff that isn't current takes a HUGE hit. It isn't worthless, but it's pretty close. The very first question is always whether it's the latest greatest. If it's not, a lot of people don't want it. Period. |
So NuForce smoked Rotel. This is all starting to make a lot more sense. |
How about meeting a teacher instead? Based on your writing prowess, you made it clear through the second grade. |
Stltrains: Actually, I did the butt-kicking. And I'm certainly not an audio snob. That's pretty funny. I might have to take you up on that invitation. You'd better warn the alligators. |
Uh-oh. Another NuFarce dealer enters the fray. ARC probably turned him down when he tried to be a dealer. Is that what happened, Bill? |
Viclondon: Who pulled your bloody chain? Stay on your side of the ocean -- where you belong. We won our independence hundreds of years ago. I respond to people in kind.
I was just trying to find out how many iterations of this amp there have been and in what time span. No one has provided that information. Could it be that it's embarrassing to the company? I am certainly not the only one who has made this observation.
Audiooracle: Here we go again. How about naming those amps that NuFarce is beating? Guidocorona has asked dealers to do that. It shouldn't be so difficult to comply. |
Check out Audiooracle's feedback . . .
So you're a good salesman. That doesn't mean you can hear. And working for Sound by Singer is actually a negative. Check out what Audiogon members think about that place and how it treats folks.
So what are the other amps that NuForce destroyed? |
Stltrains: This is about seeking the truth -- in audio and beyond. Do you have a problem with that? |
Audiooracle: Please name the $21,000 amp that the NuForce dusted. Otherwise, your post is just more useless hype. |
Stehno: I'll answer your questions when you start answering mine. This is straight and simple: You're a dealer with a vested interest.
I told you that I use Audio Magic line conditioning and a dedicated 20-amp outlet. Also, please show me the white papers or other proof about my cables introducing time smear while the ones you sell don't. Your system is more fundamentally flawed than mine. I'm surprised you haven't already mentioned some of the line conditioners you sell. You must have done that a dozen times in other posts over the last few years.
Good luck with your business on the side. It's a great way to pay for this hobby, isn't it?
|
By the time you pay for all of the well-timed upgrades plus shipping you probably do have an amp that costs $10,000. Pretty clever marketing.
So, Mr. Audiooracle, why not go ahead and tell us? What's the harm? I mean, you're the one who brought this up. You had to know people would wonder. If you just got carried away and exaggerated a bit, that's OK, too. But a lot of us want to know. A bunch of us may decide to buy a NuForce amp for ourselves! |
Stehno: OK. Enlighten me. After buying an amp -- like the original version -- and having all of the upgrades done, how much would a person have spent? Oh, and please include all of the shipping costs.
By the way, is the NuForce line still 50 or 60 points? Sweet. As for line conditioning, interconnects and speaker cables, I guess if it's not one of the few products you carry it's not any good. |
Drubin: You might be right. It sure looks likely. I notice the Audiodoctor doesn't say who he is -- or introduce members of his team. It could be because there is no team. It could be because it's just plain old Mr. Audiooracle talking about "we" and "our approach." I think it's time to come clean, Mr. Audiooracle. |
Audiooracle: Thank you very much for the response. I notice that you carry Acoustic Zen cables. Do they really introduce time smear, as part-time dealer Stehno claims? |
Aponter4: I believe! And in 6/08 the Ref 10v2 will be yet another order of magnitude better! |
Aponter4: Well, you're the one who broke the news about the Ref 10. I'll defer to you, but we can only imagine what kind of improvements the v2 will offer. Dynamics to die for, silky highs, rock-solid bass and a tube-like midrange. It will make all other amps even more obsolete. |
