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Acman3, thanks, I got to have that.
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I like McCoy Tyner a lot better than when I saw him live with JC, too many notes before. |
Frogman, believe it or not, although I bought that LP new, and "Kings of Mali" was my favorite tune; I never thought about the saxophone until you mentioned it, but as you stated "It's the overall conceptual mindset" that counts.
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Frogman, I like McCoy much better now, he can't play quite as many notes. He sounds like the old McCoy minus the too many notes. Coltrane live was not the one you hear on records. He was much more "explorative" is the only word I can find. I was at a table with a professional drummer, and some other "deep in the pocket" aficionados, who were really digging "way out" Trane. At that time I was lost; but as I recall from the audience reaction, he was blowing what they came to hear. Although I cherish that experience, that's the way it was.
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I'll have to add Jimmy Smith "Angel Eyes" to my collection, I really liked it. Music like that sounds best very late at night.
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Rok, I can thank you and Frogman for my new appreciation of this old music. When I was making forays into new genres, you pointed out that there was old music I hadn't yet discovered. Now that we have Frogman to enlighten us in regard to music from a musicians point of view, we can hear things we never heard before. I don't think we'll ever run out of this "new" old music. Try Curtis Counce "Nica's Dream" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trjO7TWe6MEEnjoy the music. |
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Rok, just thinking about those days takes my breath away. Each and every one of those songs has a special meaning for me. I just can not believe that life was that grand once upon a time, but it was.
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Although Conway Twitty has never been on my radar as a jazz aficionado, he sure sounds good on "Rainy Night In Georgia". Good music is undeniable, regardless of the genre, and that's very good music.
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Leersfool, you've already caused this jazz aficionado to purchase "The Film Music of Bronislaw Kaper", on solo piano. While the music is good it's not recommended for one reason only; when one person on piano has to project such a wide range of emotions, he has to use dynamic range and nuance like you wouldn't believe, this music only sounds good on my "He man" rig.
I'm enjoying the way you're introducing us to new music, and elements of music that I never observed before. Your contributions are invaluable, and I appreciate them.
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Am I the only person who finds it difficult to appreciate "solo" piano; where's the bass, where's the saxophone, where's the something besides a lone piano. No reflection on the music or the artist, but a personal observation of my perception of music; I need a combination of instruments.
While it's been nice to hear Kaper's music played on solo piano by Kaper, this listener requires a band in order for the music to project a wide range of emotions, and get me involved.
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Isochronism, your recommendation "Angel Eyes" by Jimmy Smith is a real winner. Like good wine, he's improved with age. His ability to plumb the musical depths of these standards, plus the very skillful use of excellent sidemen, made up for the lack of "fireworks" I've always associated with "Jimmy Smith".
While the names of some of the sidemen were new to me, I'll look for them in the future.
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Leersfool, this version of "On Green Dolphin Street" has to be my favorite. Bill Evans "intro" on piano is what sets this version off from so many others, and of course Miles and Cannonball are really beautiful as well; but it's still Bill Evans piano that takes it away. It's amazing how just one song can take you down so many very interesting paths; from Bronislaw Kaper, to Miles Davis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrVnm66joQkEnjoy the music. |
Frogman, "Bengal And Beyond", including the sax works for me. Afro Cuban is just another one of the many fusions that work with jazz. On this tune I like the jazzy vocalizing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUFqUur7bZgNow let us compare "Bengal And Beyond" to the Dave Brubeck Quartet from the album "Jazz Impressions of Eurasia" doing Calcutta Blues. I'm comparing the fusion of jazz with Indian music and how well it works. At the same time I'm illustrating what was done by a master, long before "Bengal And Beyond" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qNlHh4FiZoEnjoy the music. |
Rok, you asked me what kind of music I liked besides jazz, well occasionally I get religion and want to go to Saturday Night Church; this is what it's all about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9W3PcsjFBoEnjoy the music. |
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Rok, I like crispy fried chicken, and I also like the same kind of classic jazz as you, but I don't want either one of them every day. Here is an artist that rarely tread well worn paths in regard to her jazz, even her instrument of choice, jazz harp was a bit unusual. Along with Alice Coltrane, Dorothy Ashby extended the popularization of jazz harp past a novelty, showing how the instrument can be utilized seamlessly as much a bebop instrument as the saxophone. Her albums were of the jazz genre, but often moved into R&B, world and other musics, especially on her 1970 album The Rubaiyat of Dorothy Ashby, where she demonstrates her talents on another instrument, the Japanese koto, successfully integrating it into jazz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8k9sFZNwAEnjoy the music. |
Rok, I don't know why, but classical music instantly causes flash-backs of the movie "Clockwork Orange".
Good music is just that "Good Music", no matter what the genre. I've been hearing the name "Conway Twitty" since I can remember, but he has never been on my "playlist"; now, thanks to you, he's on my "A" playlist. Find the best and leave the rest.
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Rok, very few people realize what RAP is. It's not music, it's a social statement about The United States of America, made by a "Sub Culture" created by "The United States of America". 100 plus years of social and economic deprivation has resulted in a culture that's reflected by RAP; just listen to the lyrics and you'll see what I mean.
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Frogman was the last person to submit music on this "music" forum, he submitted "Chucho Valdes". Now I know why that name confuses me; his father was Bebo Valdes, jazz ran in the blood of the Valdes family. Before that, I posted "Ernesto Lecuona", who was a prolific composer of songs for music and films. Ruben Gonzalez performs "Siboney" by Lecuona. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3F7SCs3UtwHere is more of Lecuona's music by Catrena Valente. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_N4wfVdw-8Enjoy the music. |
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Sensuality is such a rare quality I couldn't even find an adequate definition. Although we know it when we see, hear, or feel that state of being, words can't quite express it; music, however is much better at expressing "sensuality". "She is Michelle" by Gato Barbieri is a good example for me. What music expresses this quality for you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SZ4rE-QJoEnjoy the music. |
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That was fantastic, and I liked the interpretation, also I will get her album "Heavy Falls The Night". Where is everybody? I was asking the same question. I left something "On Green Dolphin Street" for you and Leersfool that neither one of you picked up on, so I figured everyone was on vacation.
Glad to see you back Rok.
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Schubert, the title of this thread on the music forum is "Jazz For Aficionados". I'm still looking for your posts where you submitted music, could you direct me?
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Rok, initially, Miles played with Monk. Coltrane was unknown when he began with Miles. Mulligan and Miles were equals, while Miles was before Adderly, it's for sure Garland had been around when he played with Miles, but Paul Chambers was young and new. Although this is in regard to what you mentioned, I was referring to groups much later in his career, like with young Tony Williams, and even later when he had very talented musicians who were unknown to me; but at the time you are referring to, all the names you mentioned were jazz giants.
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Frogman, that came out in 58, and from that time forward I collected many LP's with Bill Evans as a sideman. My young life was fast and frenetic, consequently I only noticed the most famous players I recognized on an LP. Not too long ago, I was wandering "Who is Bill Evans"? Not realizing how many LP's I owned with him as a sideman. My point in mentioning this is that Bill never called attention to himself, he simply made everyone else's music sound better.
Beyond any shadow of a doubt, Miles greatest talent, was recognizing talent in new musicians.
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When I saw Miles it was right after he had made drastic changes, not only in his music, but in his personal life as well. Betty Mabry, who was more or less "a hippy", was a big influence in his personal life and his music; hence Miles in a fringed raw hide vest.
This was in Chicago, but fortunately I was at that set with a guy from New York (New Yorker's are always hip to everything). He explained that this was Miles new music, but that didn't make it any easier on my ears; of course that would not have mattered to Miles, he knew what he was doing; this was the music of "Bitches Brew" before it was recorded.
That's what happens when you pour wine from a bottle of whiskey. If you taste wine when you expect whiskey, you spit it out. If you taste whiskey when you expect wine, you spit it out. I expected to see the Miles I had come to know and love, not some hippy playing this very different music.
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Since Quincy Jones is far too important a musician in so many genres for me to exclusively dominate this thread with his jazz contributions to music, I'm going to let "yall" have it and hope Leersfool comes back and chimes in.
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Rok, with all of the other jazz musicians I've followed, all of them changed, but in ways I could relate to. Miles was an "enigma", although staying relevant/ popular with the current generation was important to him. While I didn't know Miles personally, I knew his brother, and we both thought the same things about Miles new music; of course this had nothing to do with how much he loved Miles, or how much Miles loved him.
I've got Miles CD's that get played when I can't remember what they sounded like, and they come out of the player as fast as they went in. The last time I saw a live performance of Miles, he looked like Sinbad out of "Arabian Nights". There was an unknown sax player I don't remember but he really sounded good. I was deep into the sax man's solo when Miles blurted in sounding like an ardvark fart. It's for sure he never lost his ability to select the best new talent, but his ego got in the way of the music. He never would have done that when him and Trane were together, although he said Trane played too long.
In regard to his changes, while he lost old audiences, he always gained even bigger new one's, which certainly helped his bottom line; that's what I call "upwards failure". I call em like I see em.
By the way, nobody has mentioned "Quincy Jones"; he's a musician that was always changing, but each change brought about a new and interesting sound, I'm going to get into Quincy next.
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Chazro, while we agree that members of his band were the best of the best, Miles and I did not hear music in the same fashion. "All" music is subjective, and Miles new audiences heard what Miles heard with his "new music", but I didn't.
No one would ever attribute Miles career and legendary success to his sidemen, only that his talent for selecting the best sidemen helped his success.
In reality, this debate is more about the subjectivity of music than it is about "Miles Davis"; apparently he realized that and went were those "subjective" dollars were flowing.
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Rok, here's Quincy in 1962 on "Soul Bossa Nova". I liked it then and I still like it now. You can follow Quincy from then till now, and his trolley never jumped the tracks of what I call good music, or according to "my taste" in music. Maybe you can chime in on Quincy's progression through the years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDRBbuDG5a0Enjoy the music. |
Rok, you didn't comment on the dance links: 09-07-14 : I consider the last paragraph on that post an "unbelievable fact".
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Frogman to the rescue! There is nothing Like cool jazz I haven't heard before. That sax on evening in Paris was too cool. In regard to film scores by Quincy, I forgot about them; keep it up.
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Rok, I added that to my collection about a week ago, not one bad cut. Frogman, I have a couple LP's by lucky. He did a mean solo on "Walkin" with Miles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iCHdv-gsnwEnjoy the music. |
Frogman, I can get in the mood for that, there a time and place for most music; although I'm not going to comment on the time and place for Lisa Fischer's music. This old man has a fantastic imagination Rok.
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I've got to go in for minor surgery, but I should be back Monday.
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