sgreenburg, yure rite, & i aploogize. my 1st post was a simple attempt to answer your question, it specifically *was* on the subject matter. when i was rudely attacked, i felt compelled to defend myself. ya, i guess it's a little war. in hindsight, i tink it wood have been appropriate to simply respond to leafs w/someting like: yeah, sure leafs, whatever... sorry, doug s. |
i tried a magnum rogue 99 preamp, & it was bettered a little by the cary slp-98, but the melos music-director was truly in another league altogether. i don't tink the rogue liked the 5.5m long i/c's - it yust exacerbated impedance problems into my 25k-ohm input-impedance active x-over. ewe can get the melos ma-333r/music director for <$2k, & i honestly believe it will acquit itself well against any preamp awailable, at any price. there's nothing comparable near its price. yust my opinion, of course... ;~) good luck, doug ps - i dint like the fact that the rogue has no balance control or tape monitor function, either... |
leafs, i spoke w/3 different dealers who used to carry melos when they were in biz - two carried rogue, all three carried cary. all three recommended the melos, even tho they couldn't sell me a gnu preamp, which they' have been delighted to do. sorry, that as a rogue-owner, yure so offended by the thought that other comparably-priced equipment may sound better. have ewe ever listened to the cary slp-98 or the melos music-director or melos sha-gold? i had the cary & the rogue in my house at the same time - the cary was much less coloured, had better frequency extension, while still equalling the delightful bloom of the rogue. it also had balance controls & a tape-monitor loop, which i like. so, the rogue went away. then i happened upon a good deal on a melos music director, so i figured i'd a-b it w/my cary & sell whichever one dint cut it. well, the cary, nice as it was, was almost mid-fi in comparison to the melos. that's what i heard, that's where i committed my funds. the statement that the cary & the melos are junk in comparison to the rogue, is obviously made by someone who has never heard either, and has an unnatural need to measure their self-esteem thru their equipment. i have a good off-forum relationship w/david99 - a rogue-owner who's so happy w/his pre, he put it into his name! we have cordial discussions about equipment, including rogue, cary, melos, & also about other tings. what's *your* problem? sure, i comment about my experiences w/rogue, when the thread comes up - i thought that's what the forum was about. jeez, i prolly do it almost as much as *ewe* do, w/yer constant raving about it, whenever ya get a chance! ;~) hey, i got no problem w/that - i rave about what *i* like, too. but, i don't trash other folks, or their equipment yust cuz they don't agree w/me - especially if i've never even *heard* their equipment. grow up, doug s. |
as i said before leafs, i put *hundreds* of hours on the rogue magnum-version 99 i had in the 2 months i listened to it in my system. ya, i *did* complain about it when i 1st turned it on - it was *really* bad then! ;~) changing to nos toobs helped some, but not enuff, even after over 100 hours of break-in. re: your comment that it brought out all the flaws in my equipment, all i know is i had accurate bass response down to subsonic levels, & an acoustic bass fiddle sounded like it was in my listening-room - both before *and* after i used the rogue 99, as well as a more extended & natural-sounding top-end. seems to me a more accurate statement wood be my assoiciated equipment brought out the flaws of the rogue. as i said before - i believe an impedance mismatch caused the frequency-extension issues in my system, especially the bass being mia. rogue states the output impedance of the 99 is 100 ohms. my simple test of crossing resistors over the outputs showed it is *at least* double the 850 ohms output resistance of the cary slp98 i had on-hand, to try the same test. w/a 5.5m i/c between my preamp & my x-over, & a 25k-ohm input impedance of my x-over, the rogue obviously was not up to the task of driving the load presented to it. as i've also posted before, i'm sure that w/short i/c's, & an amp w/a higher input impedence, the rogue may wery vell acquit itself admirably. even so, i'd still choose a cary or melos preamp before a rogue. it's really quite simple, i'm sorry it offends ewe. but, if anyone ever asks for adwice about rogue preamps, i shall offer them my experiences, whether ewe like it or not. your silly statements about the rogue exposing the flaws in my system, your continued outright lying about how long i owned it, & how much time i spent listening to it, your continued negative wotes *won't* stop me. i'm more encouraged by support from folks like redkiwi, and my desire to honestly aid fellow audiophiles looking for adwice. poor sgreenberg, who started this thread - how has yer input helped *him*?!? all he knows is yure fanatic about rogue, everyting else must be junk. he knows nuttin' about the sound characteristics of *anyting*, based upon yer statements. once again, leafs - grow up, doug s. |
yes, rogue is worth trying. tho yer input until yer last post wood never give anyone a reason to try it. and, even in yer last post, the only info ya give about it is: "...I was realy blown away by how good it sounded... it sounded better than the CJ-PV-7...". gee, how informative! in the right system, it may be great. it wood seem a logical choice to mate w/rogue amps. it isn't so much that i had a bad experience w/rogue - i have freely talked about the impedance problems i had w/it. it's yust that, imo, cary & melos preamps are nicer than rogue. if ewe tink this is pissing on rogue, then why did ewe yust piss on cj - is *that* ok??? it's nice to have a choice of tings to try. if someone is considering rogue, i will let them know of other product i tried that i liked better. let *them* decide - not everyone hears the same. when did i ever mention rogue when it wasn't in the thread subject? meanwhile, until ewe own a-gon, yer repeated postings to tell me to shut up about it are laffable. and, if ya *did* own a-gon, and ya wanted to censor honest opinion about product, who'd wanna participate? all grown-up, doug s. |
yes, sgreenberg & all, melos went outta biz because they had horrible service problems, & their fotentiometer wolume controls' alignment was so sensitive, it wood get damaged during shipping. but now, cuz of it, these things are a bargain on the used market. and melos audio restorations, formed by a couple of their former technicians, is in biz to service & update the product. they are well-aware of the old melos' shortcomings, & strive to offer better service. this is also old info that i've prewiously posted in threads regarding melos. i bought my melos *after* reading all the reviews on audioreview; sent it to m.a.r. to have it fully upgraded to music-director specs, & i couldn't be happier about it. good service & an outstanding-sounding product. yust my opinion, of course... :>) doug s. ps - don't tell me that anyting comparably-priced sounds better than melos - i mite have a hissy-fit & tell ya to shut-up or sometin'... ;~) |
yes fpeel, of course i agree w/ewe. other companies that made quality product that are no longer w/us include counterpoint, threshold, spica, & artemus, yust to name a few. i guess if a healthy biz were the sole yudge of sound quality, then bose wood be the speaker audiophile crave, eh? ;~) regards, doug s. ps - thanks, leafs, for going thru my threads & pinging me w/negative wotes. hope it made ya feel better... :>) |
leafs, if melos equipment dint sound so good, no one wood be able to make a living fixing it. i have an opportunity to buy a pair of their amps, configured either as 400wpc monoblocs, or 200wpc stereo amps. i *wish* i could afford 'em... i'm *not* worried about 'em breaking, i'm more interested in the sound. but, to be honest, leafs, ewe may have a point - i've always been more concerned w/performance. the wife & i have four cars between us - oldest a '72, newest a '92. *all* italian... ;~) truth be known, they're all *at least* as reliable as any other asian, european, or american cars we've come across. doug s. |
