Has anybody experienced Proac D80?

I am also a former oner of the ProAc 3.8 who has upgraded to the D80. The D80 is far superior in every area. No comparison and worth the upgrade to be sure if you like the sound of ProAcs.

Oh, I see. Thank you!

Rlf

Can you give us more details about their sound, have you compared to them to the D38 for example or any other speakers, an important issue for me is how do they sound at low volume levels or if driven by low wattage amps ??.

Hraouf1

The D80 is more detailed than the 3.8 but at the same time has a more refined midrange & top end. The bass of the D80 is another league complety which is deeper, has more definition, and authority. The D80 of course will play louder than the 3.8 and serves music like large-scale Classical much better. The 3.8 will tend to compress and sound stained in comparison. I owned the 3.8s for about 5 years which replaced my earlier designed Proac 3.5. The 3.8 was a huge improvement over the 3.5 in my opinion.

I have not heard the D38 so I cannot personally comment on it but the USA importer of ProAc in Maryland told me that I would be happy with the improvement of the D38 over the 3.8 but if I could afford the D80 that it would be the way to go as it is all that much better and worth the price. My dealer told me the same thing but was happy to sell me either one. I cannot say whether the D80 is worth almost twice the retail price of the D38. My room is large enough for the D80 so I went for it rather the the D38.

With regards to other speakers, I made an appointment with the local Wilson dealer and auditioned the Wilson Sophias in my own private listening session with my own music for several hours in one of their listening rooms. The amp was a tubed Conrad Johnson at my request (I also listened to them with Spectral gear). I was not impressed to say the least with the Sophias despite all the postive reviews. It may have not been the speaker's fault but something else in their system.

I also listened to the Sonus Faber Cremonas in two different HiEnd stores on the same day and was so impressed that I almost went for them. However ProAcs have always sounded great in my listening room and I had tubed Audio Research VT100 and a Reference 2 preamp at the time which of course are a good match for ProAc.

With regards to volume levels, the D80s sound great a low and high volumes alike. It doesn't take a great deal of volume to make them sound good and come to life. The D80 is supposed to be able to be driven with amplifiers as low as 10 watts but I have never tried anything less than 100 watts with them. Last year I replaced my 100 watt ARC VT100 MKII with an H20 Class D amp designed by Henry Ho of H20 Audio (www.iceh20audio.com) with a great improvement in sound over the ARC VT100. The H20 is the first non-tubed amplifier that I have satisfied with and gave me the illusion of tubes. It is rated at 250 watts. I've also home auditioned both Krell and Mark Levinson amplifiers with my ProAc Resonse 3.8s but they sounded too sterile for my tastes.

Of couse the sound of any speaker will depend on the associated gear, proper matching, set up, and of course the room too.

Hope this helps.

Rlf, tks this is certainly great help.

I am very happy D80 owner. They are very musical. I know the previous Proac models a lot (have had several) and I can promise you that the D80s are much better than the old response 3.8. The D80s have that good old full-bodied proac sound, but are more dynamic, more resolved and have more speed and attack without beeing too analytical.

When I started looking at D80 I also auditioned Audio Physics Avanti III and JM Lab Mezzo Utiopia which was in the same price range. They appeared to be not as musical as the D80's and I found that it really was no contest. A couple of months ago I had the opportunity to listen to the new Audio Physics Caldera speakers for an hour. The electronics was all Burmester reference gear. Although the setup was more expensive than mine, it struck me that I didn't enjoy it as much as my own system...

Like some of the other speakers I mentioned the D80s also have much authority and dynamics. But where the D80s excel and are stronger than most competitors is in the midrange and the all over balance.

I find it strange that not so many other on Audiogon have the larger Proacs…. In my opinion they are a bargain.

Note! The D80's deserve some very good amplifiers. This should not be missed out. I have had a Cary V12 tube amp earlier, and also Jeff Rowland 501 monos, but I was not happy with any of them. The Cary V12 was too dark sounding and did not have enough power. The 501s were too polite and analytical (no magic....) I now have Theta Citadel monos and they have really transformed my system, and I now understand that my D80s never were the weak link in the audio chain. I have also heard the D80's with the Cary CAD-211 tube monoamps. That also appeared to be a very good match.

Hobby

have you compared them to the D38 or D25, I mentioned the D25 as well because i am familiar with its sound. tks.

Sorry for late answer, maybe you have D80 already, but sure I have compared them to D25 as I have had D25 earlier. The D80 sounds much better and bigger! But the D25 are impressive for their size, but most suitable in smaller rooms.

Very good, both musical and dynamic

thanks Hobby.