Gryphon gets no press, but is great.


Gryphon, a product I sold back in the early '90's is magical sounding gear. But according to the Owner Principal designer, he can't get arrested in the U. S. Press. I have emailed an acquaintence (Robert Harley) from my days as Director of Sales for THIEL Audio, about this and he was vaguely aware of some of this, even to the point of saying that he had a memory a negative review. That seems impossible if you read the Worldwide rave press they receive. Plus as an owner of the Callisto integrated, I can verifiy that it runs away from virtually all things (even some separates costing multiples) comparable. Why is it that a product that is so good, from their integrateds, to their separates, doesn't get a better shake in the our country? Marketing has been, in my evaluation poor, and I have shared this with Mr. Rasmussen, but even so, sometimes ground swells of interest have overcome this. Flemming Rasmussen, who is the owner, says, that the U.S. is not a large enough market for "his kind of product", and that Americans may lack the "sophistocation" to appreciate it. He was not being condescendig or vitriolic, just sadly stating his perspective. Of course, seeing all the two channel (brother) audiophiles out there, I can't believe that. What is up, other than poor marketing choices?
Any ideas and thoughts from current or previous owners would be good input. Frankly, while traveling all over the U. S. I never saw it in stores. That is sad given its performance.
lrsky

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I think though that it is relative. Since the integrated at $7000. outperforms most all separates costing more it shouldn't matter. I carefully compared the Callisto, very closely to several, well known Holy Grail separate pieces and found the Gryphon to be better, IMHO. That is why I ended up with one. I think maybe value perception is the underlying issue, such as, how can an integrated be as good as separates? If that's true, then the dealers who, if there are any selling it, are doing a poor job.
In a demo or die business, most dealers, won't take the time to show off something which takes a few minutes longer to sell. At least that is what I saw, and experienced.
The exodus to HT has no doubt hurt some two channel sales. But this is, as RC, above, pointed out, some of, if not THE finest sounding electronic around. My dream system would be the amp, pre, and the new MIKADO CD; that is based on the preamp I heard years ago, and my current Callisto. I would like to see it resurected in the U. S., and at least get a fair shake from the working press.
Good Listening,
Larry
Aberdeen Components of New York is the distributor now. I am sure they will help you change the battery.
It is odd that they did not contact you. one of my customers called me (from my store which has been closed 11 years)with a problem with his power supply on a preamp.I emailed, and got an immediate response from Stefan, plus a repair code reference. If you like, DanielK contact me by email @ [email protected] and I will email them and get this taken care of. Also, I have another friend who owns an Exorsist, and he has changed batteries, possibly he could help. Either way, they should have responded. Maybe cyberspace monkeys are at work. If I can help just let me know.
Thanks, good listening,
Larry
I agree, and would say that, very few combos of separates beat it at that price too.
It is a shame that they have let the market atrophy. BTW, they did not go for very long without distribution. Dynaudio, marketed it, but I think they treated it like a tag along to their speakers, assuming that their dealers would just automatically buy the Gryphon along with Dynaudio. That was not a good strategy. That is a little hindsightish, but accurate. If Aberdeen can do it, we will have another good line to choose from. Really, at $7K it bests most separates anywhere near that price that I have heard, except perhaps the Belles 21A and the 350. That is wonderful, not too sweet, and accurate, Go Dave Belles.
Good Listening,
Larry
Elgordo, LOL. Sadly, you are absolutely correct. I told the story of my days with a Loudspeaker manufacturer, who I won't mention due to political consequences. A reviewer had two pairs of our $12K Loudspeakers. He was the most respected, (by some), reviewer, in a time not so long ago. Anyway, I reported directly to the two owners, as Director of Sales, and I was involved in them trying to get these two pairs back from him. He balked, and (apparently out of spite) put both pairs on his porch, allowing them to go to ruin!! They had to be cut apart when finally returned! This is a sad, but true commentary, on the palm greasing that unfortunately sometimes has to take place. Before everyone goes nuts, no, not all reviewers are crooks or wrong, that is silly! But it does seem odd that the biggest advertisers are the most reviewed, which are the biggest advertiseres which...
Even more sadly, the great reviewers, such as Robert Harley, don't seem to get the full amount of respect that their exceptional work should receive. Also, I used to really love to read equipment reviews. I would wait for Stereophile and Absolute Sound to arrive each month. Now, I am a little cynical about some of the magazines. Everyone out there, ultimately should find a trusted friend or great dealer, (hard to find) for recommendations, and make decisions based on their own ears. In the meantime, I hope Grypon makes a comeback, in spite of their lack of marketing.
Good listening,
Larry
"Idiots who make a lot of money without earning it?"
HMMM.... Well according to Rasmussen the owner of Gryphon, they don't really miss or need the American market. I guess the European and Asian markets where the people who earn lots of money, and aren't idiots, and so are therefore deserving of lots of money can, and will buy it.
Sounds a little angry to me.
Borg ship building? FYI Dan DiAgastino, Krell's owner, not only embraces high tech looks,(which I personally don't like) but his entire line is named after the Krell, a fictional, advanced race of people, wipped out by their collective Id, fomerly of the planet Altair; from the 1954, I think was the year, movie Forbidden Planet, starring Leslie Nielson, Walter Pidgeon et al.
My comments were only that such a terrific product could do well if marketed correctly. Not that they "needed" it.
Lrsky
Bombaywalla,
You are truely an interesting person, with real perspectives. I too am moved to tears with the right music; to me, therein lies the magic.
Gryphon is wonderful. There is too another magical product that I have come to be very familiar with which carries that special "magic" held by a select few. That is the Halcro. A good and great friend of mine who recently passed away suddenly, purchased the Halcro, (I assisted him in acquiring it). On his first listen, he was moved to tears. Admittedly I was too. It is that superior to the typical, flavor of the month difference so often experienced by hopeless dreamers like myself. Even my wife, who could not really care much less, was stunned into silence, only later remarking that in 25 years of listening to my gear, she had Never heard anything like it. Wow.
So thanks Gryphon, and Halcro, two very special products.
Best,
Larry
Brooks,
I don't know if you are showing us why you couldn't find them by misspelling, or if you still are confused. Either way I should tell you that the name is Gryphon.
Best,
Larry
PS. I think that the case of the 2100 versus the 2200 is overstated. They sound much more alike than different, unless the speakers were so complex that they highlighted the power/current difference.
PPS/ My 2100 is for sale. I just replaced it with Halcro separates.