Full range tower speakers with bass under $10k


Hello all,I am searching for full range towers with great bass for under $10k.  I do have a sub (JL E series), but seems that when I hook up my Revel F36s directly to my integrated amp, it sounds better directly than going through the sub, sub's crossover, back to the speakers.  I am guessing that the sub's crossover is the factor that degrades the sound quality.Ultimately, I decided to explore full range speakers in order to eliminate the subwoofer.Triton Reference has great specs, but they are too tall and unattractive for me.PSB T3 looks great with frequency going down to 24hz.Revel 229Be looks really nice.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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@dweller

No, all modern B&W gear have an intentional dip somewhere between 2kHz-5kHz, even the 800 D3 models, but less severe than say the 600 models.  
  
Maple refer to this as the BBC dip, as the LS3/5A has it, but that had it as it’s off-aids wasn’t optimal, spreading the myth that neutral on-axis in that region isn’t ideal, it is, but the off-axis needs to be ideal as well. B&W speakers usually have great off-axis relative to the on-axis (which is what imaging is), so that makes up for it.
* Philharmonic Phil 3, wait time as it’s built to order.
* Salk SoundScape 8, also a wait time, but likely even longer, but it’s custom cabinet finishes/veneers (more exotic customization adds fees, they can be as high as $3000 upgrades).
* Revel PerformaBe F228Be

Those are the only ones I know of ≤$10K that can reach below 30Hz while still being a reference speaker. Also, the Phil 3 is actually 88dB efficient, it’s just instead of saying +/-3dB, he uses the -3dB point (at 25Hz).

@dweller

B&W has an even brighter upper treble, so you must be talking about ~3kHz where B&W usually adds a dip in the response, some prefer it, but most don’t. Their speakers are also neutral, so I don’t see how they can be called top heavy, maybe you just prefer Harman’s target curve over say B&K’s, and/or you listen at lower volumes where we can’t hear bass as well, so then neutral bass actually sounds recessed.