Frequency Response of L.P's


I have been trying to find out what the general Frequency Response of vinyl was over the other formats after reading an article in the Stereophile archives by John Atkinson called "What's going on up there?".Out to about 40Khz seemed to be the magic figure and he seemed to imply a lot of Classical music on the other hand might extend out to 30Khz.This compares favourably of course to cd with a cut-off of 22.05Khz and SACD with a lot of noise rising sharply above 40Khz and rolled off at 50Khz.DVD-A seems to partly match the extended response of vinyl but is digital not analogue.I have seen figures given of above 60Khz without proof for vinyl and some direct-to-disk recordings made in England extended out to 50Khz.In the 1950's a U.S recording company(RCA?)was recommending a player that provided 15Hz-35Khz for proper reproduction of vinyl in their advertising.Anyone care to impart their knowledge on this subject from among the learned members?
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Amps...no problem. Many speakers roll off by a few dB at 20KHz. Some supertweeters are good to 30Kc and higher. "Ultrasonic" transducers go much higher, but noone (except bats) cares about sonic fidelity at these frequencies.
One method of quadraphonic recording on vinyl involved recording from 20Khz to 40Khz, but this information was Frequency Modulated, using a special preamp to decode it. Because it was FM, flat frequency response and low distortion was not required. (Like FM radio).

Nevertheless, the requirement for some kind of sensitivity up to 40KHz caused large improvements in pickup technology, which has benefited us long after quad vinyl died.

Some audiophile recordings have claimed flat response to 22KHz. This is fairly easy to measure simply by looking at the grooves with a microscope.
Zaikesman...As you say, response to several octive above the highest frequency of interest is an indication of good performance up to that frequency.

When I was in college (many moons ago) I was a subject in some research project relating to hearing, and, as part of this project, my ears were "calibrated". At that time my hearing did extend well beyond 20 KHz, which was the highest frequency of interest to the experiments. Perhaps because of this early experience I have maintained an interest in the subject of human hearing ability.

Over the years the highest frequency pure tone that I can hear has moved steadily down. By now I guess it is around 12 or 14KHz. But, while I cannot hear a 16 KHz tone, I can sense the effect on white noise of a low pass filter at 18 KHz. This is why honest response to 20 KHz is necessary, and why a supertweeter good to 30KHz can be desirable if the source can match this.

Response to 100 KHz is no big deal for an ultrasonic transducer, but it would be a stretch to call it a loudspeaker.
A vinyl disc can produce higher frequencies than a CD. The CD limit is 22 KHz, and it is a "brick wall"...nothing at all above it. However, fidelity does not degrade until this limit is reached. The fidelity of vinyl degrades gradually, and what you can get higher than 20KHz depends on the pickup used, and in any event will be of degraded fidelity. Also, high frequency information on a vinyl record degrades with repeated playing. Finally, there is some argument as to whether response over 20KHz is audible (to the majority of listeners).

"Superior" involves a lot more than frequency response. For use in an automobile, a CD is clearly superior.