Fremer lays an Ostrich egg...


From the start, let us say i am a little biased. i read with particular interest the review about the Levinson 53 Amplifiers in the current Stereophile, amps i currently own of course. i also have a Levinson 326S preamp, an EMM Lab CDP, and Von Schweikert VR9SE speakers, all linked up with transparent wire.
my previous amps btw were Levinson 33H mono's which i loved.
According to Mikey, the amps basically suck. no life. no harmonics. uninvolving. flat. they measure great for the most part, except for some anomilies outside of stuff the human ear can detect anyway. they are put together nicely too. But... they have a (dreaded) switch-mode power supply which i get the distinct impression MF decided ahead of time was going to screw up the sound. and so it did (i guess- who really knows what goes on in his head?) so every OTHER sentence in the review emphasizes transparency and dead quiet, neutral sound while the "meat" of the article states the amplifier doesn't have "heart and soul". the Absolute Sound did not reach the same conclusion, but did intimate the amps had an austere quality.
AND THIS is MY review- the ML#53's are not for everybody. they are DEAD NEUTRAL. they are DYNAMIC. DETAILED. my system COOKS when i put on a really good recording of a really good performance. if however the signal lacks in significant areas then I HAVE TO EXTRACT THE MUSIC out of the sound my speakers are making. if i love the performance this is easy for me to do. if i don't care that much about the CD, then it gets sold or just not played that much. other good attributes- the amps never get HOT, they are not impossible to move around (with a little help), they have protection circuitry that kicks in whenever the power goes out. AND FINALLY there is a pair of speakers they won't power up somewhere on the planet. i would like
to see them so i can warn people not to match them up. this could take awhile however.
it floored me when Fremer sold his SF Amati Homage speakers and got Watt Puppy 7's instead. He couldn't say enough good things about the Sonus Fabers, and yet he traded them for a much more analytical sounding speaker, probably for the super-detailed, super focused sound. His reviews of $$,$$$ phono stages are hilarious- what a set of ears he possesses!
when it comes to VPI turntables, he disliked the Aries but LOVED the less-accomplished Scoutmaster. I would guess the Classic-3 is pretty good as well, but i have 0.01% confidence
in M.Fremers' opinion of it. BUT i would welcome anyone ELSE'S professional opinion. At $6,000 it's not an inexpensive investment. add an SDS and a cartridge (and a record cleaning machine) and you're looking at $8500. If in fact VPI (and SO MANY OTHER TURNTABLES) have long engineered an OUTBOARD MOTOR UNIT to isolate noise and enhance the sound, wouldn't you want to know EXACTLY what the deal is with the Classic line? i sure would, and i am a HUGE fan of SOME of VPI's products and i own several.
OTOH, i am a mere peon, peasant, ignorant on the subject of SOTA Analog, and whatever other descripion you might want to label me with. But i think i can say my opinions are consistent and follow a logical pattern.
trying to detect that quality from M.F.'s writings is difficult and at times impossible. and yes, even laughable. i myself have owned (over a long period of time) Levinson, Krell, S. Faber, Pass, and Rowland amplifiers and listened to them in my own home. the ML#53's are very accomplished amps and represent some of the best solid state available, cleaner and faster than the ML-33H's that Stereophile liked so much. Yes they are probably better suited for classical and jazz, and hi-rez recordings are invaluable to bring out the best in them.
but they do not "sound flat and uninvolving". amps don't generally do that anyway- speakers do. Put on a Rachel Podger SACD on Pentatone of Mozart and/or Haydn (or Julia Fisher) and bathe in the warmth of
the sound flowing out of your speakers. Everyone (including ordinary people with ordinary hearing) who have heard my system thinks it sounds "really nice". That's good enough for me. I also think it sounds "really nice".
And i can be pretty picky.
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"According to Mikey, the amps basically suck. no life. no harmonics. uninvolving. flat. they measure great for the most part, except for some anomilies outside of stuff the human ear can detect anyway"

This is an outrage!! Through all of the undeserved and unprovoked attacks against my person that I have suffered on this site, I could always say, At least they spared my POLKS!!! Now I learn a man's equupment is no longer safe from Elitist audiophile attack. We have to nip this in the bud!!
"but they do not "sound flat and uninvolving". amps don't generally do that anyway- speakers do"

Watch it, Watch it. you are getting close to heresy!! Everything can cause everything!! Even wire.
"the sound flowing out of your speakers. Everyone (including ordinary people with ordinary hearing) who have heard my system thinks it sounds "really nice". "

I realize you are distressed, upset, and seeking support, but let's keep those 'ordinary people with their ordianry hearing' out of this discussion. That's the last thing high-end audio needs.
Your review of your amps is just as incomprehensible as fermer's. What does DRY mean? Dynamic detailed? Neutral? And if you have to have the perfect cd with the perfect music and the perfect performance, for your system to COOK, then maybe fermer is on to something. :) And most things that audiophiles search for and talk about cannot be heard by humans. You should know all this.

How to interpet reviews:
If they don't say anything bad about the item, then it's all good. Now on cheap, errr I mean modestly priced items, after three pages of praise, there will always be the obligatory last paragraph comparison to the $750,000 'reference' system. Ignore that part. That's there so the high-end advertising dollars won't go away.
The words he used to 'criticize' your amps have absolutely no meaning to any rational human being. Wine tasters excepted.
Cheers (up)?
If you live by hanging onto every word of the gurus, for guidance and 'truth', you must abide by the judgments of those same gurus when it goes against you. I think they are frauds no matter what they say. I don't think they know anymore than I do. It's the only sensible course.
This morning I was reading my treasured copies of The Audio Critic. The previous post reminds me of Peter. I read the Audio Critic from time to time to cleanse my mind of all the pollution it can pick up on this site.

The OP:
The OP needs to remind himself that the purpose of an amp is to make small electrical signals into bigger electrical signals. Thats all. If your amp or any amp is doing anything else, like sucking air out of music, or being dry or acting like an amusing little amp, and all other such nonsense, then you have a faulty piece of equipment and you should return it for repair or a refund. The comments of Mr Fermer are not true simply because amps CANNOT do what he says yours are doing. Go online and read the Audio Critic, your mind may need cleaning or degaussing or whatever. You stay here long enough you will be sucked in without realizing it. The Critic has a few choice words for the gang at the rag in question.
Cheers
The quandary the OP finds himself in is this: You live by the gurus, you die by the gurus, just like a lot of people in high-end audio. They can't pick and chose. When he said Their $50,000 speakers where great, they belived him. They use his reviews to justify their gear to themselves and others. Now that he says a piece of high-end sucks, they are like deer in the headlights. What do we do now? Does he now have veto power over our purchases? I say, in for a penney, in for a pound. Either you buy into the high-end official line or you don't. Now would seem to be a good time for you to jump ship and go back to common sense. NO AMP on God's green earth is worth $40,000!! Thank Fermer for opening your eyes and move on.
Cheers
Kzhtoo:
"Believe it or not, some of us don't know better so we turn to hifi magazines for advice,"

This is one of the most insightful posts concerning this problem. It explains why the reviewers have so much power. They, the reviewers, all sound very logical and sensible, if you don't have a frame of reference or knowledge base to rely on. To other people they sound like the con men they are. There are other magazines with different points of view. Why not try them? Won't cost you much, and you can always get back in the fold if you wish. What a person needs is not whether this is better than that, but an understanding of what's important, and what is not, in audio equipment. Once you have that, the answer to all questions is plain as day.
Cheers.
You people have lost me. Could we all start over from the beginning? Now, Fremer said what, about what?
Thank you.
Cheers.