Does It have to be loud?


Are you also under the impression that when people (or manufacturers) demo their equipment, they maintain sound pressure levels between 90-100 Dba. In general this is done in rooms being too small, and therefore the room will heavily interact with the sound heard in that room. Often, when you ask to lower the volume, the actual result is better, and –most likely- provides you with the information you were looking for. So, my question here is, do you also prefer to listen in the 90-100 dba range? Or do you –like myself- like to listen in the 70-90 dba sound pressure range? Of course, I’m referring to sound pressure levels at the listening position, which –in my case- is about 4 meter away from the speaker. 

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Just to mention when the speaker manufacturer states Sensitivity spec the loudness at one meter in dB is for 1 watt of Power. That is not the speaker’s full capability. The spec is provided to indicate the speaker’s relative sensitivity. And there is no reason to assume speaker distortion will increase significantly when more power than 1 watt is applied - up to some point, obviously. Furthermore, the distortion you hear as more power is applied might not (rpt not) be produced by the speakers per se as I have pointed out before - I.e., comb filter effects from room anomalies (pressure peaks in room corners and elsewhere, slap echo, standing waves as well as other, uh, less understood phenomenon, beyond scope.
Exactly! They even tell you on the jacket of Sticky Fingers to Play This Record Loud. Duh! 
By inspection open rooms will not support the pressures that a closed room will. For better or worse. 😛
If you take the SPL meter while music is playing moderately loud, say average 90 to 95 dB, and measure the SPL in room corners you will notice they are much higher than the average SPL. Around 6-9 dB higher! And there are many other locations in the room where very high sound pressures can be found. Standing waves, first reflections, etc. at room boundaries and out in the 3D space of the room. Maybe even at the listening position, you never know. It’s like having an addition 8 to 20 speakers in the room playing very loud. Anyone see any problem with that? 🙄
I trust you to continue stalking me. You could spice up your posts with a little humor. It wouldn’t kill you. 🤡
I’m aware you’re stalking me, which is fine. As for learning from you, you’re right, I’m learning how the other side thinks.😬

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Uh, shadorne, trust me, high end speakers do not (rpt not) distort at moderate or higher than moderate levels. Where did you hear that fairy tale? 🧚🏻‍♀️ Even ordinary speakers, you know, ones that are not junk, don’t distort unless overdriven, which is not what I’m talking about. There is no physical reason why the system, any system, should become unlistenable at moderately high levels. Of course I completely understand that many people are accustomed to the distortion. It’s always been there.
I’d opine the whole phenomenon of distortion increasing with volume is more mysterious than anyone gives it credit for. There is no reason why distortion should increase since for all intent and purposes the SNR remains the same as the volume is turned up. Obviously driving the system behind it’s capability, for example clipping, is not what I’m referring to. Amplifiers and speakers are linear devices so there is no reason why distortion should rise with volume. Yet all systems exhibit this phenomenon. That’s why people complain of fatigue and harshness at higher than moderate volume. But it’s not the speakers and it’s not the electronics. It’s something else. Something very mysterious. 😳
What’s being measured, average SPL or peaks? And how measured, e.g., test tone, music?
That’s funny! You totally misunderstood my post. I’m impressed.
For me it’s all about Dynamic Range, not loudness per se which usually means having to turn up the volume more for recordings with high dynamic range. And loud recordings don’t necessary have good/high dynamic range, in fact that usually means they don’t.