Distributed Bass Array configuration


Please, I don't want to debate the merits of the DBA nor of those who espouse it. I am considering adding two more subwoofers to a system that has two already. To those who use a DBA,I am interested in how you have configured them, specifically--
  1. Do you run in mono, or do you split the array to run in stereo?
  2. What is your approach to setting phase (delay) among speakers that may be facing different directions and are different distances from the listener?
Thanks!
mike_in_nc

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  • mc’s formula is a rip from Floyd Toole’s book, the focus of which is setting up a home theatre, not a HiFi. Read the book and find that the mid wall location works for rectangular rooms. Not all room are rectangular.
  • 80Hz XO and no main roll off is a sure recipe for a mono low end which is fine if you like it. Lots of level, no detail. mc’s Moabs claim 20Hz. Adding 4+ subs from 80Hz is going to create one hell of a bass bump.
  • Floyd states that DSP & EQ can get perfect bass in one location only which is my preference.
  • Phase matters and is both audible and measurable.
I hope a sub with a continuous phase control will work well enough.
Nope.

"All-Pass phase controls operate at only a single frequency with varying degrees of shift across the passband."

see http://www.ielogical.com/assets/SubTerrBlues/PhaseControl.png at  ieLogical SubterraneanHomesickBlues for an image of how a continuous phase control functions.
1Hz XO resolution on subs and mains is nice.
Sub and mains may not necessarily crossover at the same frequency and more than probably at different slopes.

I often imagine that DBA is a lot like what happened in a mastering lab in the LP days: After listening to glorious 2 channel bottom end in the studio, it got sucked down to mono below 40Hz. And these guys recommend 80Hz w no XO on the mains. Surely you jest?
Lastly, your main speakers will sound much better if you high pass them at 80 than at 40 Hz.
Depends on the room, main, sub and processing available. My mains are -3dB @ 31Hz measured pseudo-anechoic. ≈40Hz integrates better than 80Hz.

When I used Spica TC-50, ≈90Hz.

The clarity obtained by LF attenuation in the mains with good subs should not be ignored:
  1. Increased apparent amplifier power
  2. Reduced voice coil heating which preserves XO frequency to the mid driver.
  3. Reduced IM & THD in the woofer
  4. Reduced current demand and its consequent mid & tweet modulation.
It seems to work well almost regardless of how the subs are laid out.

Geddes, a DBA progenitor, has several pre-conditions before the above statement is true.

For a simulation comparison of the effect of moving DBA subs in a room and system similar to the claimants, see http://ielogical.com/Audio/misc/DBARoomSim.php
At way louder and extreme listening levels…the way I listen, I have learned that when I play very loud I could care less about bass smearing, because I want to feel the kick drum.
DBA is a level invariant low end Loudness contour? I'd always suspected it might be for some.


Otherwise, wouldn’t it just be guessing what the volume level should be on the subs?
For some Way Too Much isn't enough.