Cryongenically treated in-wall AC power wire


I have a high end sound system and am building a new house.  I would like to have a dedicated electrical line installed for my system, to run from the electrical outlets in my music room to the breaker box.  The builder asked me how long I wanted the wire to be, which runs from the outlets to the breaker box.  I have no idea.  I could place it as close as several feet or much longer.  The wire is $20/foot.  So, here are my questions:

1.  If you want to install a dedicated electrical line for your sound system how close should the electrical outlets be to the breaker box, or does it make a difference?  In other words, is there a minimum length of cryogenically treated wire that I will want in the wall stretching from the outlets to the fuse box?

2.  I assume that using cryogenically treated wire and electrical outlets will reduce noise.  Does anyone have any experience with cryogenically treated wire?

gapperis123

Showing 2 responses by michaelgreenaudio

I personally don’t like the sound of Cryo, nor do I like the sound of line conditioning, or over built outlets. Keep in mind, I was one of the original "Audiophile" outlet designers. I was wrong! After doing the follow up listening on the "more mass" outlets I realized there became black holes in the sound stages. Same was true with Cryo treatment and line conditioning.

If your going with smaller soundstaging, hyper detail (fatiguing to most ears) and an upward shift, Cryo and the other things I mentioned are fine. But if your joining the ever growing bigger stage club, you will want to go low mass and heat Temp-A-Cure treating.

The key to all of this is experience, and by that I mean, hundreds of systems vs a few. Once you get use to hearing the Cryo sound, it can drive you up the wall. At first it sounds clean (really clean) and you think your hearing more detail, but the more you listen you start to hear, and see, that parts of the staging has collapsed almost as if part of the connected flow is gone leaving a black hole where there use to be content. Second thing you will notice is your rock collection has become unlistenable, as if the engineers have made a recording mistake. But the reality is you have chopped away at significant sections of the recorded code. Ever put on a recording and it sounds like a scratchy shouting tin can? This means the recorded code (content) is not making it’s way through the audio chain intact. The high end audio "experts" have screwed up in telling you this is an engineering problem, but in fact these recordings are just fine. It’s the high end "technologies" that have screwed up. Part of this is Cryo treating.

michael green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

The audiophile hobby takes big swings from one end of the scale to the other with time always being the test. What I have tried to do, faithfully I hope, is every few years I will setup a listening shop I call TuneLand, or some may remember TuneVilla, where listeners can come and explore different interest of theirs. The doors are pretty much open for folks who want to be serious about coming to conclusions on their own. A couple of rooms are available for the listener to dig in and do anything they want, without me peeking over their shoulder. This last space of time and place covered Cryo pretty extensively. I did this before but was convinced it was time to revisit. There were also some low mass adventures that were fairly overwhelming, but that is covered on my forum. As listeners played with adjusting their cables and other items there was not one who chose Cryo over heat and vibra-tuning. At the same time we did our local testing the same testing was done in several countries, so we could get different opinions from different listeners. There was a difference in other topics but I was surprised that not one person took Cryo over Temp-A-curing. The long term deciding factor came down to missing information in the recordings. And the other conclusion was when people moved their Cryo treated cables from one listening environment, letting it settle for a month or two, then moved the cable to another location, or shipped to another country, the cable never recovered from the first setup. I had several thousand dollar cables loose their performance cues altogether. This happened with such regularity I started to wonder what people did when they moved into a new home and found the music all messed up. What did they blame the bad sound on? The pre broken in Cryo treated cable is a good place to start with. It would be good to hear from others who have experienced this same issue.