Can anyone hear the difference when you add REL subwoofers when playing two channel


I wonder if anyone else has had problems hearing a difference when adding REL subwoofers to their two channel systems?  I have gone back to a reputable dealer in town to listen to a pair of Vienna Acoustic Mozart's paired with a REL S3 and I couldn't detect a difference when they added and subtracted the REL.  I wonder if this was because the Vienna Acoustic Mozart's are already can extend down to 30 Hz.  I have also read reviews on the Mozart's and they said one of their criticisms was they felt the Mozart's to be too boomy in the bass.  

The dealer keeps telling me I am expecting to hear a more punchy pounding bass sound and that is not what I should be listening to.  He keeps saying I should be listening for greater depth and space to create a larger sound stage.  He went on to say if I had a subwoofer that delivered too much bass, they would eventually drive me out of the room and spoil my enjoyment of listening to music.  I thought I had sensitive ears to sound, but in this case I wonder if I am tone deaf.  My fear is getting a pair of T/9i's in my home and my wife telling me I wasted our money because she could not hear a difference. 

There must be a reason why so many dealers have told me their first pick would be a REL because they are so musical.

I also question why REL manufactures their subs with such low wattage?  For example, their S3 delivers only 400 watts and their T/9i's deliver just 300 watts.  When comparing them to  subwoofers like JL, which deliver 750 watts to $1500 watts, maybe REL subwoofers are just too wimpy.
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I have 3 Rythmik subs and am a fan, but if Brian was indeed bashing his competitors in that way, it's unfortunate.  Speak to your strengths and what differentiates you from your competition, yes.  Bash your competition - in my opinion that's un-called for and unbecoming.

I've never owned a Rel, but I've heard them in a couple of nice systems and was impressed.  We have a music club that meets at a local audio store and there's usually a smaller (10"? - not sure which model) Rel in the system and it has done a nice job filling out the bottom end in a large showroom paired up with Klipsch La Scalas, Tannoy Canterburys, along with some higher end Paradigm speakers.  

We met recently at one of our member's homes and he has one Rel (again, not sure which model) and a JL Audio sub and it was some of the punchiest bass I've heard, very dynamic and lifelike.  He has done some pretty extensive room treatment - bass traps in the corners, and diffusion and absorption panels, which I'm sure contributed to the quality of the bass and overall sound.

Not having ever had a chance to compare them in my home, this may be off base, but what the Rels seem to do well is the upper bass frequencies and to be very "tight", "punchy", and "dynamic".  I feel like the Rythmik's give you more of the tactile sensation of listening to live music while still being tuneful and musical.  I do think the Rythmik subs provide excellent value for the money, which may be in large part due to their internet direct model. 

Having said that, SVS has great products at reasonable prices and they seem to be doing well having a mixed distribution model - both internet direct and through dealers.  It seems that it is possible to build quality products and build in enough profit margins for dealers to make some money reselling them..
@larry5729  When I bought my first Rythmik sub (a used F15) what immediately stood out was how well controlled and "tight" the bass was and how well it blended into the music.  No "boominess" like most of the other subs I had owned up until that time.  It didn't hurt that I got a nice deal buying it used and that the warranty was transferrable.  
I don't think you have anything to worry about as far as the Rythmik being "too bassy".  It's only going to sound that way if you have the volume and crossover set too high.  I would consider the F12 as an entry level sub.  You may find down the road you want to add another one (or 2 or 3) or step up to something with more output, depending on the size of your room, how well it integrates, and how much bass you want.  
Larry, mzkmxcv was talking about the connectors Rel uses, not the Rythmik servo technology.