balanced output VPI


I just bought a RCM Prelude Sensor phono pre. This phono pre has the option for balanced input over RCA. I own a VPI scout wich means I can use a normal RCA cable. Can I just flip the dip switch on teh back of my RCM to have the benfit of balanced input or are things more complicated then that?

The interlink I use is a special RCA RCA phono cable with an extra clamps for ground signal.
mordante

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I am no expert, but here is what I understand. Sorry if this is too obvious and too long. Much of it is just repeating what has been said above. But, here goes anyway.

A cartridge has a + and a - lead, with no ground. My guess on the VPI is that the + goes to the center of the RCA output jack and the - goes to the sleeve of the RCA output jack. My guess is that the switch on RCA input on your phonostage simply lets the sleeve float (balanced) or ties it to ground (unbalanced). In that case, a standard RCA should work for balanced, with Atmasphere's cavity that the shield of the wire is now carrying a signal so can be sensitive to noise.

A wire with 2 conductors and an outside shield is a better option. It sounds like you may already have that type of cable, since you say you have a separate clamp for ground on the cable. If that is the case, you may be all set. Just connect the grounds on your cable to the grounds on the VPI and RCM and you may be all set. But you cable may also just have 1 conductor and shield with an extra clamp to connect the ground screw to the shield. You can check with a multi-meter (see below).

To be sure, I would call VPI and ask them specifically how the RCA outputs are wired. I would contact RCM and ask them what the switch does.

If you can use a multi-meter, you can test what the switch on the RCM does. Just check for continuity from the ground post to the outer sleeve of the RCA input with the switch in both positions, with the unit unpluged and nothing connected to the RCA of course. If it just connects the outer sleeve to ground when in unbalanced mode , there should be continuity.

You can also use the meter to check the wiring of your interlink and be sure that the center, sleeve and clamp are all independent.

You can get a continuity test or cheap multi-meter for 10 bucks if you do not have one.

I have read that you should be careful with a multi-meter on the VPI side, since the current from the meter may damage the cartridge. I have no idea if this is true or not, but I would err on the side of caution. If you disconnect the cartridge leads, then you could test how the leads on the shell connect to the RCAs.

My nexts steps would be to contact VPI and RCM and also check to see how your cable is wired.

My guess is your are all set, but I would check with VPI and RCM just to be sure.

The Ayre phonostage manual gives a good description of connecting a RCA to a XLR. You are not using an XLR, but the diagrams are good for understand the wiring. At least I found them useful when trying to figure this out originally.

AyreP5xe Manual
Brf - I think the issue is how the VPI junction box is wired. I think the negative lead from the cartridge may go to the sleeve of the RCA, but am not sure. If it is, then there is a solution in just wiring the cable correctly. If the negative goes to ground or is not connected to the sleeve of the RCA in the junction box, then the junction box needs to be re-wired.
I checked my Scout junction box. The sleeve of the RCA output is not tied to the ground nut. So, I believe the negative sides of R & L of the cartridge are connected to the corresponding sleeves of the RCAs, as I suspected. It seeems that the configuration is, although I did not check the continuity from the headshell to the RCAs.

L + Center Pin L RCA
L - Sleeve L RCA
R + Center Pin R RCA
R - Sleeve R RCA
Chassis to grounding nut on junction box.

This is the situation that AtmaSphere described above and is described in his manual.

The RCM manual clearly shows that the switch on it simply connects the sleeve of the RCA either to ground or to the minus input of the phonostage.

So, a standard RCA should work for balanced mode, with the caveat that the shield on the RCA cable is the negative balanced signal, not a ground.

The best solution would be a 2 conductor cable with a ground shield. Again, it is not clear what configuration your cable is, but it may be the appropriate cable.

Again, I am not an expert, but that is what I have found out. Since it corresponds to what AtmaSphere said, it might be right. He actually knows what he is talking about.

Hope it helps.
Brf - I understand the RCM schematics. However, you also need to understand the VPI configurations to be sure everything works in balanced mode.

I am simply trying to provide a view of the connections on the VPI side. Fortunately, I think the VPI provides both the appropriate positive and negative signals to the RCA connections that will allow the RCM to function with balanced inputs, with the proper cabling

To be overly blunt, just looking at the RCM configuration is not sufficient to be sure the whole system will work correctly. You need to look at the VPI side also, which I think I have done.

Fortunately, I think the VPI and RCM configurations will work to provide the appropriate balanced connections needed, with the proper cabling.