B&W Nautilus 802D, Wilson Sophia 2, or others?


I'm getting the upgrade itch again. My current speakers are Nautilus 802's and I am using a VAC PHI 110 setup with 8db negative feedback. The speaker impedance curve won't let me use the zero feedback setting. Overall the system sounds very good. Areas, I would like to improve would be bass impact or punch, a bit more clarity in the midrange. The room is approximately 15 by 14 with a vaulted ceiling going from 8 to 11ft. It is also open at the very top to a kitchen/dining room area so it acts like a bigger room. It does have a room peak in the 30-40hz range with a null around the 60hz range that I believe robs some impact. I love the looks of the Nautilus speaker and what I have does sound very good. From the reviews I have read the Diamond version improves in the areas I feel need improvement but still presents a difficult load requiring the amp to use negative feedback. The Wilson Sophia might present an easier load allowing Zero feedback with some sonic gain just from that change alone. I am a bit concerned that the Wilsons are ported to the rear since the front wall behind the speakers has seven foot wide french doors in the middle which might present a reflection problem. I have not listened to either speaker but metro Phx has dealers for both. Would somebody that is basically happy with the B&W speakers like the Wilson Sophias or should I just stick with the 802D's? Any other speaker recommendations that are compatible with the VAC amp? I don't like the looks of any speaker that looks like the basic box with drivers in it. Listening preferences are primarily jazz and vocals. I usually listen to music with peaks less than 90db but sometimes crank to peaks around 100db. I don't want it to crap out if I want to crank it. If anyone has upgraded from 802's to Diamond version, I would also appreciate your comments. Thanks
rhljazz
Wonder if folks looked at price,figured out total outlay and considered the 803D's.When I sold B&W's when they had Mtrix thought most bang for buck was 802 Matrix III.But with the Nautilus series it was the 803N.80's (like older 803's) just to small a stage and constrained.Now 803D offers a superb tweeter and with second 7" driver go as low as older 802N's/Wilson makes a fine product but as was mentioned somebody (us) are paying for fit/finish and service.I thought as good as they are they were too much for the asking.But B&W and a few other like Revel have either a broad line (B&W) OR a company like Revels parent Harmon) that can bring a product o market that few smaller companies can afford.If bit bass shy a REL or Velodyne DD turned way low for truly SUB work could make it the equal or better than the Wilsons.Don't get me wrong I like the Sophia's and if a used pair came up at right price I would dive.But the 900 lbs.Gorilla (B&W) sells not just based on prior sales but they deliver at fair price point.Savvy marketing can only bring you so far and a t these price points fewer people walk in and say what's best I can get at "X".There are exceptions to rule like when folks buy McIntosh for looks or because they remember the name when the rich kid down the hall had Mac or marantz their into they check around and still they sell.
Chazz
I sold my 802Ds and finally got my Wilson W/P8s a few weeks ago. All I can say is... WOW! All the problems I had with the 802D are gone. No more recessed male vocals veiled behind the tubby, cavernous sound of other elements in the soundstage. It is a huge improvement in the sound of my system. I can finally hear many of the male vocals clearly that I couldn't quite hear before. They are no longer obscured behind other elements of the music. Extremely revealing speaker in comparison.

The mid-range is absolutely pristine, though I do miss the sightly more transparent clarity of the diamond tweeter in the very high frequencies, it is certainly not a substitute for the gloriously clear mid-range i'm experiencing now....

I look forward to buying the surround speakers and center channel speaker once I save up the funds.
I would put my money on the wilsons any time, I have had the B&W's for a long time and after I heard the JM labs, T+A and Wilsons I will buy the wilsons forget about any other.

Wilson is the most nutural speaker I have heard and I have gone through at least 15 brands. I still do not won the wilson as I am saving up for the Max 2, for my 2 channel setup.
Hello Rhljazz,

Have you tried listening to the Escalante Design Fremonts? They go for around $20K a pair, are 93dB efficient, can handle 1000 watts all day, and present an extremely amplifier friendly load. All that wouldn't mean a thing if they did not sound superb, which they do. They are stand mounted 'mega monitors' that come with their own stands (included in the price), and go down to 18Hz. What stands out about them the most, though, is the midrange. They sound extremely clear, with the most natural timbre reproduction I have yet heard in 30 years of audio.