Audio Research discontinuing lower lines components?


I have looked at several components in Audio Research's line and they are discontinuing the LS17-se, PH8, and PH6.  They discontinued the DAC 8.  I know there is a new Ref 6 to replace the Ref 5se and their is a new Ref Phono 3 to replace the Ref Phone 2se coming out.  I talked to my dealer and he stated that Audio Research seems to be making their components look more McIntosh like in the Galeo series. 

The dealer stated their isn't going to be anything that he has heard that will replace the other lines at this point and that AR will be starting at the LS-27, which is $7500 for preamps.  The Ref 75se is the beginning of the line for Amps, which I know, but man are they going the Mac route with prices, nothing to replace the DAC 8 and the other DAC in the line is $11,000, what's up with this, have you guys heard anything more. 

The starting point for AR equipment is getting pretty high and the only way a newer person without means will be able to afford it will be to buy use, which could send the used prices up if there isn't anything else in the line.  What do you guys think and what have you heard?
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They are obviously looking to cater to the people with deep pockets. They don't care about the hobbyist starting out. I guess they figure there are enough Chinese Imports available in the lower price ranges. In the 80's and 90's Audio Research made products that a guy with a decent Job could afford. Nowadays in order to buy new ARC gear you have to have a lot of discretionary Income.
"ARC is overrated anyways. Plenty of great stuff that can be had for much less"

You could say the same thing about most of these high-end companies.

Pops,

I have never heard the word the word premiumnization before. But the way you described it makes sense to me.

Oregonpapa,

I believe 1913 is the year they started the Federal Reserve. Correct me if I am wrong.

Elberoth2,

I thought Fine Sounds just acquired them a few years ago. Are you saying they are for sale again? Plus they just recently discountinued there lower priced line. This all seems to be happening to fast.



"The market obviously wants to spend a lot more money on gear these days"

I agree with you're statement. The 64k question is why?



Oregonpapa,

ARC wishes they could sell a million units of their 30k preamp. I would be surprised if they sold over 1000 units worldwide.

I also saw that show and I was surprised how shoddy the amp was put together. If I didn't know better I would have thought it was made in China. 

"No changes from the basic circuit design from years past"

I guess that is why my audio technician says he doesn't understand why people buy new ARC gear. He claims the older equipment is better than what they are making now.

"No wonder Star Wars is so popular" 

It is so popular because people just want to be entertained. It's too much work for people to have to think.

Jhconner,

That's a 40 percent price raise in 8 years. Even Ferrari doesn't raise their prices that high. I could see a 20 percent Increase in 8 years. 40 percent is ridiculous.

First off, I don't dislike ARC. I actually own it myself. I grew up with ARC when a man with a decent job could afford to buy it. Nowadays they have forgotten about the people that made them successful in the first place. Today they are only Interested in catering to the people with deep pockets. The only way an average person can buy it nowadays is to purchase it used. I am not saying used is a bad thing. It was just nice to be able to purchase it new at one time.

I currently have a Vt-100mklll that I bought new for 5500.00. I also have an Ls-27 that I bought used on Audiogon a few years ago for 4000.00. The Ls-27 now retails for 7500.00.

Lalitk,

Why would ARC let the dealer make more profit on a reference piece of 30k than they do. The dealers buy at 40 percent of the retail price.
So if the retail is 30k and the dealer get a 40 percent discount after that there cost would be 18k. So on a 30k sale the dealer would make 12k. And then you said ARC produces the piece for 12k. If your numbers are correct the dealer would make twice the profits on the piece than the manufacturer. It doesn't work that way. If the dealer is making 12k on the piece rest assured the manufacturer is making just as much or more. 

I think it's sad that they couldn't find a buyer in the United States to take over the company. Sometimes when the owner of a company dies his family or people that work for the company take it over. Unfortunately that wasn't the case with ARC.

I haven't heard those 2 pieces but I am very familiar with the Wilson and ARC sound. I would say for 12 to 15k on the used market you can get a comparable sound. You just need to do your due diligence and take your time.