Are loudspeakers that different?


I never get to audition speakers since I have NO dealers near me. This week I was able to listen to Totem speakers while on a trip. I could not believe the difference compared to my Aerials!
The reason I posted this is I wanted some feedback - - I had been starting to get the impression that speakers were different but not strikingly so, like my impression of CD players. This audition changed my mind. Then I began wondering about the differences between modest costing speakers and expensive one (7k plus). Can anyone share their experiences with listening and comparing, who what where...?
Thanks...cause ultimately I thought I had shook the upgrade bug....

jimmy2615

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Sdcampbell is entirely correct. Speakers exhibit by far more variability than any other component in the audio chain. The winds of audiophile fashion have blown from various quarters over the years. Right now the fashion is to say, "The source is everything," which sounds good but just ain't so. You'll hear people say, "A good source can make a cheap speaker sound good," and that is true up to a rather limited point. But the electronics will not change the essential CHARACTER of the sound that the speakers produce. Read the endless threads about single-driver versus multi-driver systems, or about e'statics versus dynamics or about ported versus closed-box versus TL versus horn cabinet designs. Any of these designs, well executed, can produce glorious sound but the character of that sound will tend to be different on the basis of the fundamental characteristics of the designs, themselves. If a horn speaker sounds hooty (the "Winchester Cathedral" sound) with one set of electronics, then it will sound hooty with every set of electronics. If a Lowther design truncates the ends of the frequency spectrum in favor of a delicious midrange, then various electronics might make a little difference, but not a whole lot because the foundational characteristics of the sound of a Lowther system are bounded by the design of the driver, not the electrons coursing through it.

I'm from time to time bemused to visit the homes of new or old audiophile friends and find them listening to hideously expensive electronics, cables, and power systems played through cheap speakers, saying as they do so, "Well, you know, the source is everything." Then they come to my house, where they hear good but not splendiferous electronics (Belles, Rega, etc.) played through absolutely fantastic speakers. And their eyes pop out. Not that my system is the be-all-and-end-all of everything by any means, but simply because they discover how much impact on the sound of the system depends on the speakers.

Let me just close on an objectivist note here, because I know some of y'all are itching to get to the bottom of this post and start writing rebuttals. :) The literature is replete with instances in which critical listeners in short-term ABX trials have been unable to differentiate among various amplifiers or preamps or cables or other source-related elements. Now, without going into all the interesting things that could, can, and will be said about the limitations of ABX testing, keep in mind that virtually EVERYONE, in ABX speaker comparisons, can reliably differentiate among different speakers. That's a telling point.

But, hey, when all is said and done do what gives you pleasure and satisfaction. That is, or should be, the name of the audio game.

Good luck and let us know what you choose.

will
Fatparrot, you are right on target. The contribution made by the room can make or break even the finest, most synergetic of combinations. That's why I argue that in-home audition is so vital, even if it means paying ghastly shipping charges or driving hundreds of miles. The pain and expense of arranging in-home auditions are as nothing compared to the pain of buying something that doesn't work in your space and not discovering that until too late to return the product.

Sdcampbell and Grandpad (BTW, is that "Grandpa D" as in I have really nice grandchildren or "Grand Pad" as in I have a really nice house?) also hit the nail on the head when they pointed out the sonic contribution of the phono cartridge. Your prelate gave up vinyl years ago but can still remember moving from a BIC giveaway turntable to an NAD "floppy arm" with a Shure V15. Wow! What a difference.

Happy listening. Do let us know what you decide.

will
Grandpad,

My HT system uses Paradigm Studio 100v2s as mains and I could not be happier with them for that purpose. Decried as they are for being "mass produced" few if any speakers at their various price points have garnered as many positive reviews from every corner of the audio spectrum as have Paradigms.

My 2-channel system uses JMLabs Utopias.

And you?

will
Oops! Let your prelate not be accused of exaggerating his system.

I use JMLabs MEZZO Utopias.

will
Grandpad: Nice!

Bomarc: Excellent advice. It's a damned shame when one lives a zillion miles from good dealers but you're absolutely on target here. If Jimmy wants the gain he's gonna hafta bear the pain: shipping speakers in and out, driving lots of miles to hear them, making his significant other and everyone else around him crazy. Making himself crazy. Perhaps the definitive test for certifiable audiophilia will be whether or not he finds this process pleasurable. :)

will