Power Cord Length


Here's one for the electric wizards to kick around. Whilst attending Axpona this weekend I was doing some power cord shopping. At one particular display I was being told by a very well known cable company representative, I'll not mention the name so it doesn't influence any responses, that the rule of thumb is that in order for the pwr cord to be effective it needs to be at least five feet long. This allows the current to be in the cord long enough for it to be effective. Ok, I'm really dumb when it comes to this sort of thing so maybe I said that in the most simpliest of words but that's pretty much how it was explained. Anyone care to elaborate on this good or bad?
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Jea48 wrote,

"geoffkait, I can understand why you of all people would feel the need to support Nordost cable claims without any theories or testing what so ever to back up what they believe."

Huh?! White Paper is my middle name.  

I would love to read your white paper for this tweak of yours.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

Jea48 wrote,

I would love to read your white paper for this tweak of yours.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

OK, no problem. The Teleportation Tweak. The whole story can finally be told.

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina43.htm


Hope you enjoy it.

cheers,

Geoff W.P. Kait

PS the Nordost brochures and white papers and such can be found at

http://www.nordost.com/nordost-downloads.php

tootles



For a second there I thought this was one of those April Fool's postings, but soon realized that it's already April 22nd.  Seriously?? Power cord length??

Let's see:  the power generating plant is probably hundreds if not thousands of miles from your amp, the local sub-station definitely a few tens of miles, the wiring from the transformer in your street to the outlet probably a few hundred feet ... and you are worried, and people are seriously discussing, power cord length?  And after you connect the power cord, you still have to deal with all that pesky wire in the primary and secondary of the power transformer, which is just the size and length required by the amp.

So, the experienced and very knowledgeable electrical engineers at Krell build a $40,000 amp and it comes with a power cord that they tested and know it is absolutely perfect for the amp.  Then some sales rep from an audiophile cable company tells you:  they're idiots.  Use my $10,000 power cord!! (which is mot likely worse than the one Krell sent you, and probably a fire hazard).  I'm an electrical engineer and this whole discussion of cables and specially power cords and power connectors really insults my intelligence.

Let's say you're in a Supercar forum and just bought a Bugatti Veyron.  There is a company, or someone in the forum, claiming that you should ditch the original fuel line from the gas tank to the engine and buy their improved super duper fuel line for just $60,000.  They claim that will make the engine run smoother and you will feel the improvement in the horse power of the engine.  Pretty ludicrous, isn't it?

Just use the power cord that came with your amp.

mazur said:


So, the experienced and very knowledgeable electrical engineers at Krell build a $40,000 amp and it comes with a power cord that they tested and know it is absolutely perfect for the amp. Then some sales rep from an audiophile cable company tells you: they’re idiots. Use my $10,000 power cord!! (which is mot likely worse than the one Krell sent you, and probably a fire hazard). I’m an electrical engineer and this whole discussion of cables and specially power cords and power connectors really insults my intelligence.


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3ft power cord for $1500.


http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=397:krell-intr...



Vector HC Power Cable.
http://www.krellonline.com/cables.html

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Quote from Link below:


I recently had the privilege to sit down with Todd Eichenbaum who has been with Krell for 20 years, and serves as Krell’s Director of Engineering where he’s led the design efforts for over 50 Krell products including every preamp, power amp and loudspeaker they’ve designed over the past 12 years.

Todd’s latest creation, the Vector HC Power Cord, is a departure for both Krell and Todd, however as I found out the leap from making amplifiers to power cables isn’t as great as one would think.

AR: Krell President, Bill McKiegan, said, "that with few exceptions most power cable manufacturers haven’t made a power amplifier so they don’t fully understand what is needed in a power cord." I thought that was an interesting comment and as I understand it the Vector HC is your baby, so how did it come about?

TE: My earliest inspiration was born of frustration. I’ll explain. About four years ago, not long after we launched the Evolution 900 monoblocks, one of our salespeople got a call from an irate customer. His 900s weren’t working properly; the microprocessors were indicating that one or more rail voltages were out of spec. Typically this is an indication that something is very wrong with an amplifier, but these were brand new, and furthermore, sometimes they worked OK. After many phone calls and much head scratching but very little success, we happened upon a juicy tidbit of information: the customer was using aftermarket power cables. When he removed them and reinstalled the very plain but quite functional cables that we supplied with his 900s, the amps worked perfectly. So, in fact, the customer’s ultra-expensive, super-exotic power cables were starving the 900s for current to such a degree that their power supplies were coming out of regulation.

Looking at this from my perspective, I found it infuriating that a company would design a power cable that was failing at its most basic purpose--to provide enough power to the component to which it was connected--and then to have the audacity to charge top dollar for it. A power cable is not a particularly complex piece of equipment; designing one properly simply involves knowing what it needs to do well, which is to provide a secure, reliable, safe, low resistance, and low inductance pathway from the wall outlet to the audio component.


At the end of the day, the Vector HC really was born from power amplifiers.

AR: You started with CAST and now you have the Vector HC power cord. Is Krell quietly trying to get into the cable business?

TE: We’re not making a conscious effort to expand into the cable business, quietly or otherwise. Rather, we’re filling what we see as gaps in current offerings. For example, the CAST concept started as a more accurate means of interconnecting audio components, not as a vehicle for selling cables. In fact, several other companies now offer CAST cables that, frankly, we prefer to our own CAST cables. With the Vector HC, we felt there was a need for a product specifically designed to work well with electronics that place heavy demands on the AC mains--in particular, our amplifiers.

AR: How is Krell differentiating themselves from other high-end cable manufacturers?

TE: By the design of the Vector HC cable itself, which has been optimized for what we, the designers of large amplifiers, know to be of greatest importance in providing AC power to such devices.

First, the cable had to offer low resistance. Of course, the larger the cross sectional area of the conductors, the lower the resistance; however, AC connectors do have a limit as to how large the conductors themselves and the finished cable can be. We determined that the largest conductor we could comfortably work with was #11 AWG. That’s twice as large as the #14 wire used in many premium cables, and still larger than the #12 wire used in many ultra-premium cables. We also specified oxygen-free copper for its improved conductivity, which further reduces the resistance of the conductors regardless of their size.

Second, because inductance, by definition, opposes rapid changes in the flow of current, and since we want the audio component connected to be able draw whatever current it needs instantaneously from the AC mains, the cable needed to have low inductance. We are able to accomplish that by twisting the two primary conductors together.

Third, we wanted to reduce the amount of high frequency electromagnetic noise that could enter or leave the cable. As luck would have it, twisting the conductors also increases their capacitance, and increasing the capacitance between the primary conductors helps filter high frequency noise. In this case the "capacitor" is formed by the two primary conductors behaving as its plates and the wire insulation as the dielectric between them. Since we want to maximize the capacitance over a wide frequency range (to minimize noise), we specified a Teflon derivative--the highest quality dielectric available--for the wire insulation. In addition, the two primary conductors are wrapped with a copper foil shield, also to reduce the noise entering or leaving the cable. We selected foil instead of braided wire because it works more effectively at the frequencies likely to be encountered by audio equipment in the home. The shield is connected to ground only at the wall plug, so any electromagnetic noise is shunted away from the audio component and into the earth ground. Since the shield is not connected to the component plug, however, no ground current can flow through the shield. Rather, a third conductor, located outside the shield, makes the ground connection between the component and the wall plug. Noise on the ground conductor cannot penetrate the foil shield.

The connectors we use are not unique to our cables, but they are unique. The mating surfaces are rhodium plated. Rhodium is a noble metal, very resistant to corrosion and extremely expensive, but much harder and more resistant to scraping than gold, which makes it especially well suited to connectors that might be inserted and removed many times over the life of the product. Internally, we terminate the conductors with gold plated spade lugs, which are then screwed into the connectors. Because the internal connections are not subject to repeated wear, we chose gold for its higher conductivity.

AR: A lot of people feel cables, especially power cables, have little to no effect on a system’s sound, what do you say to those people?

TE: Those people should listen to their systems with different power cables installed. If they still believe there to be no effect, or if the effect they hear is not enjoyable, or if it is enjoyable but not worth an additional $2000 or $4000 or whatever, then they should put their stock power cables back in their system and start listening to music again. Honestly, we at Krell heard differences we didn’t think we’d hear, so it’s likely that others will have that same experience.

- See more at: http://audiophilereview.com/amps/krells-todd-eichenbaum-talks-cables.html#sthash.xkWCSiSD.dpuf



http://audiophilereview.com/amps/krells-todd-eichenbaum-talks-cables.html

The AC power that comes into your home travels great distances and there are hundreds if not thousands of feet in branch circuits throughout your home. Do you really think it matters if your power cord is 5 feet or 10 feet ? After 40 years in the power and electronic business I can tell you the only thing that actually matters is that the size of the cable be matched with the current consumption of the component and a power conditioner to remove motor induced frequencies.