Calvinj, Glad you are getting some listening in again!
At this point my system is more alluring the the rest of my life so I am listening or thinking about listening all the time.
My system is on 18 hours as day a background music and listen closely
5 hours of those hours when I have time.
I too, love that inner detail stuff the HFcables give me.
I hope you get to hear my system and Norms sometime.
Enjoy the Music!! D
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Yes, I agree that the sound is dramatically better with 8 MC-0.5s
at the wall where the power to the system comes from than with 5 at the wall and 3 in the distribution box. Much better in my system.
Mesmerizing here too.
Still testing different splitter combinations.
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Benjie, I agree that demagnification products may help with unwanted electrical charge created magnetic interference, and that the permanent,
purposeful, magnetic arrays in HF products would not be negatively effected over time.
I used to demagnify the whole system with a disc demag unit and could hear the improvement but now, with all the magnetic stuff I have now, demagnifying doesn't seem necessary. I believe that with the magnetic control HFC stuff, it eliminates unwanted noise like IF and RF.
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Most reviewers I have met (except Norm), even well respected ones, have little or no knowledge of how electronic items work. Most don't have a system even close to what some of us have. In a way, trusting a reviewer is like trusting a doctor just because he has MD in his title.
These are flawed human beings like the rest of us.
A guy named Art described perfectly what MC-0.5s sound like Before they break in.
Art is a nice guy who can well describe what he hears with pretty words.
I am aware that he doesn't have the knowledge of magnetic conduction
products or how to use them properly and I mentioned that to him.
The system he has would not impress or even interest me but Art is a good reviewer. It's just that reviewers, like all humans, are limited by personal circumstance and experience. I have reviewers over to hear my system and I help some improve their systems. They are all likable people, most have modest systems that don't satisfy my ears because they can not create what I am used to hearing. (except Norm).
AS for the latest uproar... trolls be trolls! ;-)
Enjoy the Music!!! D
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Lak, Your question about what power cords to amp...
I am very fortunate to be using a Pro power cord to distribution and another Pro pc from distribution to the amp. I have a Pro IC from my source to amp. My new amp, H-cat Mk III is truly amazing and made much better with Synergistic Research SR-Black fuses and a Star Sound Rhythm rack. I hope to have my new, upgraded to 4x DSD, DAC/pre
next week.
I know TBG has all Pro cables to his Mk III Amp also.
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Philipwu, Thanks for your experience with these cables. I have enjoyed MIT spk cables in past decades.
From my personal experience with each level of HFC from E to Pro..
HFC offers 6 levels of speaker cables and each level is many times better than the previous level. Even more as one goes up the line. The difference between the E- $4K cable and the Pro- $34K cable is, as one might expect, an ANT to elephANT comparison.
Even the Ultimate was no comparison with the E. The UR absolutely blew away the U, the helix was amazingly better than the UR and the Pro, another universe altogether.
also- magnetic cables can take days to get back to top performance after being removed.
Cheers Philip
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knightfi, interesting post!
can you tell us what level of power cords you are using? |
In my system, the power cords made more difference than the interconnects from levels Ultimate to URH. The Pro interconnect may be better than the Pro pc's but both are worlds away from the other HF gear. I've heard the Pro speaker cables make a huge difference over URH and there is no apparent signal loss in the Pro speaker cables.
I only have UR speaker cables but hope someday to be able to afford the Pro spk cable.
Although all HF stuff has similar attributes, the first levels compare to the Pro like a 50 year old VW in a ditch compares to a showroom fresh Lamborghini. They both have 4 wheels but..............
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Ozzy, I have used MC-0.5s and both digital and analog components.
the make the power better to both and the improvement is substantial with both.
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Jay23, thanks for your questions.
I have 8 of the MC-0.5s and love the effect.
they are all at the wall before any other magnetic stuff.
I plan to get more as soon as I have the funds. I'd like to start with
six more.
I haven't tried the 6 and the 6Hemisphere.
I believe most companies under rate there components power handling capabilities to protect themselves. Huge difference between peak current and operating current if it's not a class A operation.
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facten, I've experiment with multiple 3 way splitters for MC-0.5s.
takes the splitters 5 days to break in but it seems to work very well for me and my friends. I like the fact the the splitters are very short runs for electricity in stead of adding power cords into the mix. I have a splitter system that is holding 8 MC-0.5s, if i and 3 more splitters I can up the total to 14 in that one splitter system with only one foot of wire.
For me, they sound much better plugged at the source then spread thru the system.
And yes, they are CRAZY GOOD for the money.
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Benjie, I found that the best sounding devices under magnetic waveguides are from Star Sound Technologies. I started using them at Ricks suggestion and now have Star Sound platforms and their Brass "Audio Points" under everything! SS platforms hold all waveguides, components, speakers and power boxes. ( as does Norm) I have some points under my Schumann Resonance Generator also. I use SS brass parts to cancel vibration in other places also. I find them to be good in places that they were not designed for.
I've complicated my system into an Audio Labyrinth! But... I have never been happier or more impressed by a system.
Cheers D |
CalvinJ, thanks for your reports on the MC-6!
Hope all is well with you.
My system is worlds more refined than last we spoke.
I'm Still dreaming about getting Pro speaker cables without a second mortgage. My new amp would see all HF-Pro cables.
PM me if you want details of the last 12 things I did to the system.
Cheers D
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Hey Calvin, Cool that you may try the 6 Hemi!
I'd be interested in your thoughts on the difference between
the 6 and the 6 hemi.
My system is so addicting and so enthralling that it is very hard to get anything else done if it is playing. Ricks inventions play a major part it my sound. Like Norm, over 50% of the cost of my system is in High Fidelity Cables. I'm so happy with that choice that I hope to up that percentage
by a lot with my efforts to get Pro Speaker Cable.
Cheers D |
Keith, you are way off topic my friend.
I can't imagine anyone on this thread wanting to read what you have written.
May I suggest that, if you think someone is being abusive, you click on "report this post" so a site monitor can take a look at it.
I mean no offense but I will ask that they remove your last post to eliminate another negative direction on this thread.
Happy thoughts!!
Hope you and your system are doing well!
Cheers D
PS I have very strong opinions and judgments about things which I try to balance with education and understanding. Flawed human.
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Hello philipwu, A lot has been brought up about Magnetic conduction not working the same as electrical conduction on this thread in the past 5 years. We unfortunately cannot apply electrical logic to magnetic conduction. You are measuring electrical resistance using the batteries in your meter. You are testing magnetic conducting materials with electrical conducting test equipment which is even further afield than testing AC current with a DC meter.
Not to worry brother, many have had a difficult time moving to a radically new medium. Except for those who have tried a full loom.
Some have not been able to make the adjustment AT All! and have left thinking we are all crazy. like the flat earthers did some time back.
Hang in there man!
Cheers D |
Keith I'm on your side and agree about the guy. this is a thread about HFC products.
Love to hear about what you think of any HF products you have experience with.
How is you system doing?
Cheers D |
Calvin, Thanks for your post!
Norm, you will be missed
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My system has disappeared!!!
I'm left with only music.
Music represented in ways I could not have imagined, and have never experienced before. I would have never experienced this without High Fidelity Cables.
Except for Ricks wife and kids, I may be his biggest fan!!
HfC's biggest problem now is making their products fast enough to keep up with demand. Growing pains as sales have doubled.
I've been considering Pro series speaker cable since I heard them at Norms 2 months ago. Did you know that the fastest time to build one set of Pro speaker cables is 2 weeks, with their best builder, doing only that.
My plan, hope, dream is to get the PRO speaker cables, I may have to stop buying and eating anything for 6 months to do this. ;-)
I will also get 6 more MC-0.5s when they are caught up on orders for them.
Enjoy the music everyone"
Cheers D
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68pete, Thanks for your report on the Hemi.
Makes me wish I had one. ;-)
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Audiolabyrinth, If I understand your question correctly..
The Pro series has Interconnects, Power cords, Speaker Cables and I suppose they might make a Pro Digital Cable although not listed.
Designed for Professional use, these cables are only built when ordered.
I've heard that the Pro's are selling quite well. To crazy people. ;-)
Not to be out crazed, I HAVE PLACE AN ORDER FOR PRO SPEAKER CABLES!! 3 or 4 weeks to get and a month of break in but you can bet I will be reporting on them.
Cheers Man, hows your system?
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rlawry, Great news that you got the UR Speaker cable!!
I felt a lot closer to the performance when moving up to the UR.
I'm thinking of more MC-0.5s too. I only have 8. I must pay off my loan to get a set of Pro Speaker cable before I get any more -05s, so next year.
I plan to do an in depth report on the UR vs PRO once I have a Pro with time on it.
Enjoy the Music!!
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Benjie, thanks for your report on the power issues. I think it is good to know what external forces may cause problems for Magnetic items.
Interest that Rick would say use the biggest wire possible. This may be true when connecting to Magnetic Conduction power.
I have found that with electrical power, 10AWG soild copper wire to sounded the best in systems I've built, but it will be interesting to hear what huge copper wire does with Mag power if you, or anyone tries that.
Please let us know?
If bigger is better in this arena, then maybe I'll try some OO AWG to the outlet box. 10 gauge is the biggest wire i can connect directly to an outlet. The bigger the wire the harder it is to work with. )) being nearly impossible. ;-) D
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rlawry, good to hear how things are going with your system.
I know what you mean about the efforts to move up the line.
I used Paypal credit to help get a piece but then have to pay off Paypal for the next 6 months. I do get to have a Pro speaker cable with the effort. Hopefully arriving in a few weeks.
I do find ways to improve my overall sound by improving my power distribution system. I quit using non magnetic power filtering as it robs music. |
Benjie
the last line was to read 00 gauge being nearly impossoble to work with. |
brownie1946, I don't like the work "Rhythm" because it has no vowels
;-)
I think even audiophiles misuse audio terms all the time.
Perhaps it's time for us to revisit the audio terms list. |
Pro Speaker Cables- first impression, I love them!
I finally went "ALL-IN" and gifted myself with a pair of Pro Speaker Cables. Something I've been dreaming about but thought I'd never do. I'm very glad I did.
I was using my Ultimate Reference Speaker cables prior to this.
Within 5 hours of listening The PRO's were obvious winners!!!
The changes were more dramatic that just a much better sound.
A new perceptual experience!
Pro's have a unique sound envelope projection I've never witnessed before. A stage opens before me.
It is exciting to know the Pros will improve for months. After one day they are profound. Richer, fuller tones and the air is ethereal, increased effortlessness and ease of involvement. Shockingly real.
I have several folks over to listen. Friends very familiar with my system.
All could very easily hear the vast improvement...
Here are some Quotes:
"This is really quite remarkable", "Fabulous", "Much Superior",
"Uncanny Realism" "Sublime", "WOW" and some explatives that could not be repeated. A friend of mine has been reporting major increases in performance as the weeks go by with his Pro Speaker Cables.
They are amazing after 2 days !!!!!!! ;-) ;-) D |
Romazicon, I have 2 URH power cords and 2 PRO power cords.
The Pro's are better at everything but how to describe this..
Of coarse, each step up is more refined but the Pro's are a bigger increase than previous upgrades. In my experience, on my system,
the sense of "magic" increases dramatically. A uncanny feeling of being there at the show. Pro had better bass, more imaging, smoother highs,
more tone and involvement, ect.
About where to put the Pro power cord.
I would try it in different places but my guess would be going into the
power distribution. or into the AMP. I may have cheated by having a Pro in both places so the power goes thru 8 MC-0.5s and 2 Pro PC before the amp.
Note: I have ALL waveguides on Starsound Brass "Audiopoints" instead of the rubber rings. I get more intimacy this way.
I actually have had ALL waveguides on Star Sound Technologies platforms and all components on Starsound Racks.
My new PRO speaker waveguides are so long (30 inches) that I will have to use two "Apprentice" platforms on either side. Or 2 Star Sound speaker stands per side. So just AUDIO points on speaker cable for now. The Pro speaker cable is a tube of super magnets with hook up wires at either end. ;-) |
Rlawry, Yes, you are right that I seldom leave my listening room now that I have Pro Speaker, power and interconnects. 8 hours a day minimum listening time. (music is on now).
I would agree about the break in process you described. The Pro's start out way better than previous models and improve from there. The Pro Speaker Cables have gotten more refined in 5 days. From better than ever to even more involving and "real". I can hardly waite for next week, next month!! I am hearing more "back wall reflections" among other improvements. |
Romazicon. LAK, thanks for you comments on the magnetic adaptors!
I recall several folks asking about the adapters and it is good to see some response. I only use one set of interconnects and it's already a Pro.
So I don't think I need the adaptors.
But, I'm going to get 8 more Mc-0.5s when I have money again.
crazy good for the money!!!
Cheers D |
romazicon, Welcome to the HFC thread!
The Ultimate Spearer Cable, I recall it being a huge improvement over previous models, The first serious waveguide on speaker cables.
10 times better then the E speaker cables. from Ultimate up the Speaker cables improve dramatically with each version. |
Romazicon, it is true that the magnetic permeation from the previous magnetic power cord should shorten that aspect of break in. I think it will start out sounding better than if a no magnetic pc was used before.
However, I believe that there are other factors of break-in that will take some time to arrive the most refined sound. You should enjoy the new power cord very soon and also get more as time goes by.
As far as what Pro piece has the greatest effect. I cannot say at this point as my speaker cables have under 100 hours on them and I do not think they are totally dialed in for 600 hours. Both PRO pieces improve the sound greatly in different areas of the process, so while they improve things is differently, the effects are simular . I'm impressed with the musical changes brought on by power improvements and the pro has like 6 times the magnets of the URH pc. It seems to me that each improvement in any magnetic part brings better highs and lows, quieter background, more "real" and involving, more refined sound. As one would expect, the PRO series is a much bigger increase than previous levels. It appears that The PRO's have more that four times the magnets
which is a much bigger jump in magnet size than previous upgrades.
I think the PRO's started out as a "what If". What if we put an absurd amount of magnets in a power cord? speaker cable?
I think even HFC is surprised at the amount of sales on these unobtainables.
I went with a Pro PC first because it was less money than the Speaker cables and I though, at the time, that power cords made a bigger improvement than speaker cables. I think this is true with models before the PRO but the Pro's are a different animal. I'm still deciding which is best but enjoying music more than ever.
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Romazicon, The Pro PC should blow you away and I look forward to your sharing on it..
Thanks for linking us to this very well written article. I certainly agree with Jay's assessment. It was probably 15 pages back but I said that the Ultimate pc was incomparably better then the 1 pc.
In my experience, all Ultimate Cables are worlds better than their predecessors. Similarly, the Ultimate Reference line is worlds better then the Ultimate, the URH much better and the Pro's or another universe all together. All attributes Jay describes are enhanced even more profoundly with higher Upgrades.
MC-0.5s- I concur that, in a 2 channel system, the more MC-0.5s the better. I happen to be getting 4 more today to bring my total to 12, for now . Jay stated that you can't un-hear perfection. so I urge caution!
I told my self many times," I can't afford that" but after hearing the sound of perfection, I had no choice but to get them. Ricks cable are irresistibly superior.
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CalvinJ, Hi Cal, how many of the MC-0.5s have you tried?
Their effect are cumulative in my system.
I just got 4 more to get to an even dozen.
Unfortunately, my system went down over a week ago and I have been
unable to report on adding 4 more.
Also unable to repot further on my Pro Speaker cables.
Pro Speaker cables were far superior right out of the gate (and they look fantastic ;-) ) but i can't exactly tell more while using the tv cable box -music on demand. Bummer! D |
Romazicon, Thanks for sharing about the Pro power cord in your system. I recall wondering how a power cord could make such a big improvement in all aspects of sound, akin to a component upgrade.
And that was with the Ultimate pc! The UR helix was amazingly better...
But the Pros, WOW!
I've heard almost all of the HFC products, with each upgrade there is this very alluring increase in a sense of "real music". Alluring, addicting amazement. The unbelievable cost takes a back seat to the miraculous magic of the sound in my world. Words of an audio addict. ;-) D |
Benjie, Thanks for your report on the 10 gage wire, dedicated line upgrade. I since I heard what it did here, highly recommend 10 gauge wire and dedicated lines to people. I can imagine it is an even bigger improvement from 14AWG wire than from 12 to 10.
The power, dynamics, fast leading edge, quieter, micro detail all improved greatly. |
Ahhh! my system is running again and it is better than ever.
It was hell listening to lessor music but it showed me just how "beyond music" my system is.
My Pro speaker cables are much more than amazing. The sound reminds me of the years I spent listening to concerts on stage as a technician.
Every cell of my body is engulfed in the musical experiences.
Nothing like merely listening to music, it is more like living in the music!
My heartfelt Thanks to Rick Schultz. Your the Man Rick!!! |
Dumbfounded! Well at least very surprised.
Lucky me, I got to visit TBG yesterday.
I came from Austin and met 2 audio friends from Houston.
Norms system the the best system I've ever heard! Truly Amazing!!!!
WE listened a lot and did some experiments around magnetic cables.
I heard further proof that the Star Sound's Audio Points improve the sound significantly when used under magnetic waveguides. All magnetic
waveguides.
The most surprising comparison was with the RCA Magnetic Adaptors on Pro Series interconnects. I was figuring that the most astonishing
interconnects ever would never need the Adaptors. After hearing the comparison with and without, I now believe that the Adaptors on the Pro
may be the most exalted position. Huge overall improvement, like opening a door to reality. and that was with Adaptors on one end only.
The Amp end. My assumption that a $299 set of magnetic adaptors could not dramatically improve a $20,000 interconnect was totally wrong.
First time I have been wrong in years. ;-) D |
I have ordered Magnetic RCA adaptors today after hearing what they did at Norms on Saturday. So did most who were there. I'm interested in hearing others reports on the GEMS. I think they will sell as many as they can make.
Cheers D
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RCA adaptors arrived yesterday and lowered the noise floor immediately
allowing all the perks that less noise allows. The Bass is lower fuller more defined. Micro detail has increased allowing me to hear more of singers expression at the end of words that portrays more the artists emotion.
A very solid image has become even more solid. The highs are smoother
Musical tone has increased and an overall more live sound. and that is with under 8 hours on them. I heard much improvement in that time and look forward to more evaluations. |
Follow up RCA Adaptors report after 2 weeks.
I compared adapters in and out of the system.
Here is what I thought was better with adapters at both ends of my Pro interconnect from preamp to amp.
Better: Weight, tonal information,focus and clarity, noise floor lowering, micro detail, listening enjoyment, pace, rhythm, balance, air and space,
depth, image solidity, record room clues, effortlessness, Sense of being there.
Downside: I'll let you know if I find any.
Enjoy the Music
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benjie, Thanks for your sharing, interesting! maybe I will try that.
Folks I know that have HFC phono cables love them! |
Lak, Thanks for sharing.
I must say that the 4 folks I know that have both RCA adaptors and full loom of HFC report substantial improvements in sonic refinement when adding the adaptors. worth a try. ;-) D |
Does this ever happen to you??? My music’s “realness" perplexes my mind sometimes. The clues that make the brain sense a “real” *** experience are too closely mimicked. So, the “it's real but it’s not real" feeling, takes my brain some time to adjust. I'll let you know if I get adjusted ;-) Cheers D
*** humans do not experience “real” but merely a construct of our brains interpretation of our sensory input, moments after an actual event occurs………………………………………………………
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I do believe it is a new treatment for magnetic cables that Rick has developed. I hear that they are treating all cables with the "magnetically driven amplification process" before shipping. I think the Ct1-UR are the same. |
Cal, the process uses new technology that Rick developed,
and Rick uses the word process in his description.
I look forward to your feedback on the new cables.
Cheers D |
Phil, I have that combination with Pro interconnects from preamp to amp. I know several others who have this. I was first awed at the improvement at Norms house, as were others in attendance. And that was with RCA on one end. Eventually, 3 of us got RCA's for both ends.
Shocking just how much of an improvement $550 of adaptors made to $20K interconnects. I recommend them highly for whenever they are back in stock. Brought us closer to the music.
Cheers D |
Lak. That's great news! Can you tell us what the upgrade entails?
Parts or treatment? Thanks D |
Updated cables sounds like a great idea!!
I sent all my cables in 10 days ago for a treatment and expect them back this Tuesday.
Pro speaker, Pro IC, 2 Pro Power cords, 2 URH power cords.
Heard amazing things at Norms with this treatment.
Will report.
No music for 2 weeks is maddening.
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Cal, Lak, It's alway great for me to know that someone else has been greatly impressed with a magnetic upgrade. I've been blown away so many times with HFC upgrades from CT-1 thru Pro. Dangerously addicting for some of us.
Far beyond any imaginings. My sound has been incomprehensible for a while now and each upgrade is more astonishing.
Cheers D |
