HEGEL - Is it really made in Norway ?



Not unlike Ayon, where it is just printed "Austria" and not "Made in Austria" (the usual and official terminology), are HEGEL products actually made and assembled in Norway or just "designed" in Norway and assembled somewhere in China?

I have tried getting a clear-cut answer from dealers with no success. Juste like for Ayon gear by the way.

Thanks if you can help.
soniqmike
I have also looked into this. For the reasons that you site I assume they are not made in Norway. Hegel products do not say Made in Norway. My guess is they are actually made in China.
Audio Connection is a dealer. If you don't have a local dealer, call him. John will definitely give you a straight answer.
Hegel is made in China.
Hasmarto is correct - Hegel gear is designed and engineered in Norway but manufactured in China.
Hegel is good stuff and just because it is made in China does not mean you shouldn't consider it. Just bought a new dac designed and made in China and it is the best dac I have ever had
Alan
I own a PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium preamp that is made in China.This is the first piece of kit that I ever bought that was made in China.This is also the best sounding preamp that I have ever heard or owned. My ears thank me every day. I'm sure Hegel is fine too.
I think they are misleading people with labelling Norway instead of made in China. It show their lack of confidence in their own product. Honestly I don't like shady business. IMHO.
Hegel has been manufactured in China for many years . A friend of mine was a dealer for Hegel and he had told me it was made in the same plant as Consonance which he also was a dealer for. His opinion at that time was they were over priced in comparison to other lines he carried. I personally did no comparisons. For what is is worth I own a Consonance T1 preamp that not only has been trouble free but with nos tubes and tweeks sounds very good and considering the cost is a serious bargain.
That's a shame. I always thought they were made in Norway.
Chinese are fully capable of building anything as well as anyone in the world .
Taters,

I also thought they were made in Norway. Until I looked closely and realized they only say Norway -- not Made in Norway.

S1nn3r,

I agree with you that they are misleading people. The units say Norway but they do not say Made in Norway.

Schubert,

I agree with you. But there are also a lot of poorly made products coming out of China these days.

Oldcar63,

You stated that your dealer friend said, "they were over priced in comparison to other lines". Were you referring to Consonance or Hegel products -- or both? Please clarify.
Capable is one thing. Doing is another.
I imagine that every post in this thread was produced on a computer or phone made in China.
Zd542,

I agree with you on this point.
I know sometimes national minorities or foreigners trying to disguise their nationality or religion to avoid discrimination or being killed. Same thing companies try to disguise their products made in PRC. It's not about built quality in China what it could be bad or good It's more about heritage and past.
Would you buy a BMW if it was made in China?
Followed this thread for a bit and want to jump in. I spent many, many years in the import/export biz and can clarify a point or two.

Does anyone know if the shipping cartons state "Norway" or are they labeled as "Made in China?" US Customs regulations are very clear on the mislabeling of imported goods and violators are subject to stiff penalties. If the carton is correctly labeled regarding country of origin, the product itself is not usually considered to be in violation of Customs laws. That's how you find bulk goods (e.g. socks) not individually labeled at the point of purchase with country of origin

However, if the importer has a master (or outer) shipping carton with the correct country of origin but labels the inner carton and/or product as originating someplace else, that is a violation of domestic FTC (and potentially FCC) regulations regarding false representation and/or advertising. Simply labeling the product itself "Norway" makes no direct claim of originating country so long as the exterior packaging complies with prevailing law. Intentionally deceptive? Yes. Legally deceptive? You would have to bring suit to find out.

Either way, I'm hugely disappointed to hear of this and two very good friends of mine will be, too. They consciously chose Hegel products over similarly priced, known-to-be China-o-fi goods to support a company that was supposedly providing a living wage to their laborers. Scandinavian companies are not normally associated with this kind of exploitative, dirt-bag obfuscation and many people implicitly trust their integrity. Clearly that is a serious mistake to make with Hegel. We aren't talking about discount K-D furniture from Ikea, after all.

The observation from -61 is cogent but incomplete. I knew workers threw themselves out of the windows of the Foxconn building where my Apple computers were made a year before I bought them. I bought them anyway, because they were simply better than anything else out there. Only time will tell if they succeeded influencing their contract manufacturers, but the Foxconn incidents were proximate causes of Apple "in-shoring" some of their production last year.

That doesn't make me feel any better about my choice of computers, but life is all about compromise. Something our politicians would do well to remember.
"Would you buy a BMW if it was made in China?"

Seems like not only are the Chinese manufacturing BMW...but buying them also.

www.bmwblog.com/2015/01/08/1-million-bmw-cars-assembled-chinese-plant/#comments
"Would you buy a BMW if it was made in China?"
Logical Fallacy. My BMW M Coupe was make in South Carolina. Would you buy a BMW that was made in South Carolina?

This is starting to feel and sound like a racist thread. My Shanling CDP is a wonderful piece of equipment. It was made in China. I run Ruby tubes in my (American made) mono amps. The Ruby tubes are made in China.

So what's the point of this thread anyway?

I thought we were all primarily interested in music reproduction in our homes.
I noticed that they don't show a rear view of their gear which would show where it is made. This seems very deceiving. Do you think if it was known that China made their stuff people would pay premium prices? I don't think so!
That's exactly right - a portion of BMW's 3 Series is produced in Shenyang Province in China.

I think that anyone who acts prejudiced about audio equipment made in China is being completely naive and myopic. So you'll make life-affecting decisions using results from MRI machines and other medical equipment made in China, but you won't listen to Kajagoogoo's latest CD on an amp made in China? You'll plug in a toaster - which if made improperly could burn your house down - that was made in China, but you can't enjoy Hank Williams on speakers made in China? Please, give me a break. There's a good chance the transformer that your local utility company is using to produce the energy that is powering your audio system was made in China - what are you going to do, get a team of hamsters to spin a wheel and provide the power instead? If you want to be anti-Chinese-made products, you better get ready to go live in a cave.
Sabai The dealer was at that time, four or five years back felt that Hegel was no more superior than the Consonance. In fact he stated that they shared many of the same parts in solid state designed units. Again I did no comparisons. Also he has a Hegel integrated amp at home that he never uses. I do not know the model . I am not implying that Hegel is not a quality brand or does not perform well. I would need to spend some time with their products to make my own evaluation.
"Would you buy a BMW if it was made in China?"
Logical Fallacy. My BMW M Coupe was make in South Carolina. Would you buy a BMW that was made in South Carolina?

This is starting to feel and sound like a racist thread. My Shanling CDP is a wonderful piece of equipment. It was made in China. I run Ruby tubes in my (American made) mono amps. The Ruby tubes are made in China.

So what's the point of this thread anyway?

I thought we were all primarily interested in music reproduction in our homes.
If Hegel is made in China why not consider Audio-gd? Hegel should be proud to slap on a made in PRC sticker! Not so fast... then they would need to lower the price by 50% and try to convince us there not on the same assembly/parts line as Emotiva(lol).
All foreign companies that has a factory in China usually use their own management team and parts. They are just saving on the labor so should not effect quality. Now if it's Chinese company producing in China, that's a different story. Most have different/lower standards.

I'm color blind so Chinese laborers are no inferior to Americans, Germans ... to me. They sure have no problems getting accepted to all the top colleges.

Either way, I'm hugely disappointed to hear of this and two very good friends of mine will be, too. They consciously chose Hegel products over similarly priced, known-to-be China-o-fi goods to support a company that was supposedly providing a living wage to their laborers. Scandinavian companies are not normally associated with this kind of exploitative, dirt-bag obfuscation and many people implicitly trust their integrity. Clearly that is a serious mistake to make with Hegel. We aren't talking about discount K-D furniture from Ikea, after all.
Not me. Private smart companies will move to more business friendly environments. A better question is why Europe is in a permanent recession and high unemployment except for Germany.

If Hegel is made in China why not consider Audio-gd? Hegel should be proud to slap on a made in PRC sticker! Not so fast... then they would need to lower the price by 50% and try to convince us there not on the same assembly/parts line as Emotiva(lol).
If produce in Norway, Hegel would need to increase the price BIG time to cover the additional cost to do business. Same for BMC if not produce in china but Germany. I'm happy savings are pass to me, the end consumer. LOL all the way to the bank!!!
My point here isn't not buy buy made in China. I would gladly support Line Magnetic and Oppo which is labelled made in China than some shady company using the law loop holes to mislead people. If a company doesn't have the integrity or honestly of being up front with their customers then I can only imagine how hard it is to claim for warranty service.
Yogiboy,

On their site they do show the rear of their units. But it only says Norway -- not Made in Norway.

Dayglow,

I agree. They might have to lower the price if people knew where they were really made.

Bcgator,

You make a good point. There are some good quality products made in China. But there are also some poor quality products made there. I think what folks are saying here is that Hegel should state up front where their products are made. Otherwise, it looks deceptive -- like they are trying to hide something -- which begs the question what are they trying to hide?
You make a good point. There are some good quality products made in China. But there are also some poor quality products made there. I think what folks are saying here is that Hegel should state up front where their products are made. Otherwise, it looks deceptive -- like they are trying to hide something -- which begs the question what are they trying to hide?
How are they hiding it?

Frankly I could careless where it was made as long as SQ and build quality meet my expectations.
"08-26-15: Ps
"Would you buy a BMW if it was made in China?"
Logical Fallacy. My BMW M Coupe was make in South Carolina. Would you buy a BMW that was made in South Carolina?"

How is it a logical fallacy to ask a simple question?

"This is starting to feel and sound like a racist thread. My Shanling CDP is a wonderful piece of equipment. It was made in China. I run Ruby tubes in my (American made) mono amps. The Ruby tubes are made in China. "

So its racist if people don't want to buy Chinese goods because of poor build quality? Logical fallacy. There was a point when the worst cars in the world were coming out of Detroit. Were you a racist if you didn't buy an American car?

There's an upside, of course. Now that the Chinese are making cars, we don't make the worst ones anymore.

"So what's the point of this thread anyway?"

You may have missed the OP. Here it is again.

"Not unlike Ayon, where it is just printed "Austria" and not "Made in Austria" (the usual and official terminology), are HEGEL products actually made and assembled in Norway or just "designed" in Norway and assembled somewhere in China?

I have tried getting a clear-cut answer from dealers with no success. Juste like for Ayon gear by the way.

Thanks if you can help."

What part of that is not clear?
Oldcar63,

Thanks for filling me in. I had a problem with a Hegel product recently. Who knows ... maybe the Made in China factor was related.
S1nn3r,

You stated, "If a company doesn't have the integrity or honestly of being up front with their customers then I can only imagine how hard it is to claim for warranty service."

I agree completely. I had a problem recently with a Hegel amp. They refused to stand behind their product! I am still in shock over their reaction -- and the fact that it cost me dearly.

Zd542,

I agree with you. There is nothing racist in all this. I live in Asia and am married to a local girl. The problem is that there are Made in China high end products that are good quality and others that are not good quality -- or that are flawed. I recently had a bad experience with a Hegel amp. Years ago I had a bad experience with a Made in China DAC from another high end company. You just never know.
The horse has left the barn in a BIG way�is the computer you're using made in Detroit? Much of my gear is Chinese including my astonishing Kavent (German designed Vincent re-branded for some reason) dual mono balanced pre-amp�Jolida's Mike Allen apparently is paying his Chinese workers far more that the average to insure better quality�a necessity once he fell out with his old factory due to shoddy work issues (I read this someplace so it must be true). My Reverend guitars are South Korean and are perfect�and made in the same factory as Deusenbergs which claim to be all German and cost 3 times as much�so this slight of hand is in many places, but hey...welcome to the modern world!
Sabai,

That's exactly what I'm thinking. If you can't trust a company, forget doing any kind of business with them.
"08-27-15: Wolf_garcia
The horse has left the barn in a BIG way�is the computer you're using made in Detroit?"

No. But how's a computer that's made in Detroit going to help you catch a horse?
S1nn3r,

I totally agree. Needless to say, I would never go near another Hegel product after my recent experience with them.
My ASUS computer was made in Taiwan, which is not China .
Did you notice, not a peep out of Hegel to explain things here. Ted Denney of Synergistic Research, Ralph Karsten of Atma-Sphere, Bobby Palkovic of Merlin -- God bless him -- would all have chimed in by now. Not a word from Hegel.
Hegel might be a bunch of greedy business men that "hang a shingle" in Norway and are able to have(Opera Audio?) build good sounding but inferior/over priced gear! What upsets me is the HEA media has been a lap dog for Hegel for the last 5 years? FWIW Opera has been manufacturing the Well Tempered Lab "golf ball" tables which still has a rabid cult following.
Dayglow,

I agree that the high end audio media has been a lap dog for Hegel for many years.
08-27-15: S1nn3r
Sabai,

That's exactly what I'm thinking. If you can't trust a company, forget doing any kind of business with them.
How is Hegel dishonest?

I can't confirm but lets say Hegel is designed in Norway and assembled in China. Excellent SQ to my ear, well built and reasonably priced compare to the competition. So what's the problem?

08-27-15: Sabai
S1nn3r,

I totally agree. Needless to say, I would never go near another Hegel product after my recent experience with them.
There are 2 sides to every story. Base on Sabai history, there are definitely 2 sides.

08-28-15: Dayglow
Hegel might be a bunch of greedy business men that "hang a shingle" in Norway
Please clarify greedy in the context of your post? Do you have a problem with private companies making a profit to stay in business? Do you work for free?

and are able to have(Opera Audio?) build good sounding but inferior/over priced gear!
Can somebody translate?
Sounds like these Hegel cats are NWA - Norwegians with Attitude... and no doubt straight out of Oslo.
Courant,

I recently heard from a dealer friend in Singapore about another well-known Norwegian high end audio company with a similar attitude. He said he would never go near either of them.
Knghifi-My point is IF Opera Audio(Consonance)is making the Hegel gear they can build very good sounding products. The problem is they(Hegel) are over priced when considering other competing Chinese made gear. The deception comes from the spartan Scandinavian aesthetics which is in contrast to the over the top "goofy" appearance of many Chinese made audio products. This could easily sway the buyer to assume it's made in Norway(I was fooled). If they would just slap a "MADE IN CHINA" label on the gear this thread would cease to exist and we could clearly judge Hegel for what they are!
I hate this blatant slide of hand. It is getting harder to get endemic products built by hand in their country of origin. The only products that I know are Luxman in Japan and McIntosh Labs in NY that still make products that last a lifetime.
Knghifi,

Seems like Dayglow answered all your question.
Do a little more research and you will find many more than the two products you named!
Dayglow,

I also feel that Hegel products are overpriced and that they should have come clean a long time ago by making it clear their products are Made in China -- so everyone could clearly judge for themselves.
The problem is they(Hegel) are over priced when considering other competing Chinese made gear.

Exactly. And it seems to me there's a lot of smoke and mirrors with them. With so much good stuff actually made in Europe, why bother with Hegel?
The only products that I know are Luxman in Japan and McIntosh Labs in NY that still make products that last a lifetime.

I would add Accuphase in Japan to your list :D

Perhaps Pass Labs and D'Agostino as well as far as US companies go.

For Canada; Bryston

For Europe it's hard to beat the mega-expensive FM Acoustics, but the stuff has proven to stand the test of time over the last 42 years.

There's much more, but those are the companies that come to mind.
Dave_72,

And so much good stuff made in the U.S. too -- and a lot cheaper. For instance the Atma-Sphere OTLs made by Ralph Karsten. And you will never have a customer service problem with Ralph -- unlike with Hegel, if you are unlucky like I was recently. I got stiffed by them.