Review: Intuitive Design/Pitcher Sound Labs Summit PSL 624 Speaker


Category: Speakers

Intuitive Design Summit model number PSL 624 (PSL=Pitcher Sound Labs)

Part I: Introduction

The Intuitive Design Summit Loudspeakers are almost certainly the last loudspeaker I will ever buy. They have completely blown away even my most ridiculously unrealistic expectations. This review will humbly attempt to do justice to these utterly magnificent, stunningly transcendent masterpieces of sonic transduction. I am a consumer with no affiliation to any audio retailer or manufacturer. My only goals are to inform the audiophile community about these and to pique its curiosity, possibly to the point where some people may actually to give these an audition—something they so richly deserve.

The review has seven parts:
1. Introduction;
  2. Synopsis (just read this if you want to get the main points without
suffering through the whole tome);  
3. The fleshed out, fully detailed narrative (extremely long and thorough, beware);
4. Photos;
5. Personal anecdotes and observations of others;
6. My poem: “Pitcher Perfect—The Fabulous Summits” (I had to do it!);
7. Disclaimer statement. (This is really stupid but is intended to preempt shill
accusations.)



Part II: Synopsis

The Intuitive Design Summits are a two-way, dynamic loudspeaker with a custom, proprietary, chambered, 1” soft dome tweeter; a 7” carbon pulp midbass driver; a first order crossover; capacitors manufactured on site by Intuitive Design; a granite cabinet; and the granite Path Stand System. Mine have Stillpoints and inverted risers under both of the speakers and both of the Path Stands, which in turn are placed on 18 x 12 x 3 inch, 75 pound granite surface plates.

Dimensions and weights, etc. (Rounded off):
Speakers: 19 ½ x 13 ½ x 11 inches, gross shipping weight=84 lbs (each) with boxes
Path Stands: 18 x 13 x 11 ¼ inches, gross shipping weight=92 lbs (each) with boxes,
but without the sand poured in
Overall, in our room (see photo with 4 foot “yard”stick): height is 43 ½ inches
Distance from back wall is between 26 and 28 inches to the BACK of each speaker
Room dimensions: 20 ft 10 in x 15 ½ ft x 9 ft (ceiling height)
Speakers are parallel to the longer wall.

These speakers are the best I’ve heard, with a unique and profoundly powerful
combination of high end smoothness and detail. The imaging is utterly three dimensional, stable and holographic, practically beyond belief. Off axis dispersion is outstanding, and yet the precision of the imaging seems to be completely unaffected by this. The entire sonic spectrum down to around the 40 hertz rolloff is presented with stark, vivid realism that is uncanny and seamless.

It must be noted that the superlative sonic attributes come to their fullest fruition only
when the Dodson 217 Mark II D DAC is in the signal path. The superb bass response is contingent on outstanding amplification, such as that provided by the Odyssey Extreme Monoblocks, which are rated at greater than 200 wpc, and are probably closer to 300, with outstanding current delivery, as assured by the presence of 360,000 microfarads of capacitance.


Part III: Fully Detailed Narrative

 PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL COMPARISONS WITH OTHER BRANDS OF SPEAKERS ARE SUBJECTIVE, AND STRICTLY MY OWN OPINION BASED ON LIMITED LISTENING. ANY BRANDS I NAME BELOW WERE FAVORABLY IMPRESSIVE IN SOME WAY, AND ANY “DOGS” HAVE BEEN OMITTED. YOUR OPINION MAY VARY OR BE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO MINE, AND I DO NOT CONSIDER MINE TO BE THE REFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR ME.

I am 43 years old and have arrived at audiophile nirvana. The audiophile journey began in my teens, listening to speakers like the original AR 90 (never even got to hear the legendary AR 9’s). I vaguely remember a General Electric system, then a Panasonic system, 10 wpc solid state receiver with an 8 track and large, 2 way speakers with a passive radiator and soft, boomy bass, which I thought was great at the time. The first real system I had was during my 20’s, and included a Parasound receiver with preamp outputs, the legendary B&K ST140 amplifier, and what must have been the original (or near original) version of the Paradigm 9SE loudspeakers. Years passed and my audiophile interest was again piqued by loudspeaker listings on Audiogon. I ended up with Paradigm Studio 100 V3 speakers augmented by a Rel Storm 3 sub-bass unit and driven by Odyssey Extreme monoblocks, with a Rotel RC 995 preamp, and Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers. I was actually fairly satisfied, but not utterly transfixed in paroxysmal ecstasy like I am now.

Duane, a dealer who I’ve known for over 10 years, had been talking about a 3,000 dollar speaker that sounded like a 10,000 dollar speaker. (The Summits are about 3,500 dollars and the Path Stand System is about 1,500 dollars). I listened to them even though I was fairly satisfied with the Paradigms. I couldn’t believe the synergistic combination of smoothness, detail and bass reproduction combined with an excellent soundstage. Dynamic range was practically identical to that of the Paradigms and the mid bass was better. Given their price, I became upset and finally caved in and bought the Summits, plus upgraded the preamp, and added the Dodson.

As currently configured in my system, with Odyssey Monoblock Extreme amplifiers, an Odyssey Extreme Tempest Preamplifier, and the Dodson 217 Mark 2 D DAC with upgraded 218-like software, these are the finest loudspeakers I have ever heard, with the closest competitor being the old, three box version of the Audio Physic Caldera, fed by about 7000 dollars of front end electronics, including Spectral products. Those retailed for about 20,000. I listened to those several years ago and did so only once, but did use some of my own source material (Police, Synchronicity 2, Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, gold disc). It’s a close call, the memory is less clear than before, the systems are different and there was never anything like an A/B, but the subjective impression of profound sonic excellence imparted by the Summits is even more powerful that imparted by the Calderas. Previously, there was nothing close to the Calderas, in my mind.

Other speakers I have listened to much more recently, which were great, but not as great as the Summits, (in my own, unscientific, subjective and possibly flawed opinion ONLY), include: 1. Totem Winds: Just a great loudspeaker, with great tonality and detail, great soundstage, but seemed inferior to the Summits with respect to soundstage height and, in retrospect, mid bass punch); 2. JM Lab (either Mini or Micro Utopias, whichever sell for around 5,000; these had the Be tweeter): Very detailed and fairly sweet high end, excellent midrange and soundstage, but quite lacking in the bass, seeming to roll off at a rather high frequency, and showing some softness and just a hint of boominess, not acceptable to me, even knowing they’d have been supplemented by the Rel; 3. One of the upper level Aerials, I think it was the 7B: Really a fine loudspeaker with true finesse and sweetness on the high end, and a very respectable soundstage. These seemed a little rolled off on the high end and possibly slightly lacking in sonic detail. Sonically they reminded me of some of Dale Pitcher’s earlier designs in the lower to middle echelons of the Essence lineup. Those were a very “nice” loudspeaker with no glaring weaknesses, but they never blew me away like his Summits do now.

Specifically:

1. The Summits have the most amazing combination of high end smoothness and detail I have ever heard in any loudspeaker, at any price, bar none, especially when the Dodson DAC is in the signal path (it is possible for me to listen A/B by switching inputs on the preamp between the player directly or through the Dodson). This confers an incredible, unique and stark realism that is practically indescribable. It is a consistent feature irrespective of program material, including rock music, classical music, jazz, bluegrass, folk music, and even other things like the Cybergenesis theme from the Terminator Soundtrack. Sumiko has a song used its by dealers in setting up systems called “Say a Prayer for the Cowgirl.” This is a well recorded track and sounded very good through the Paradigms. It sounded utterly real and qualitatively different—starkly so—through the Summits. The Paradigms made it sound like the woman was in the center of the soundfield, singing into a microphone. The Summits made it sound like her voice was being magically amplified with no microphone or any hint of electronic artifact whatsoever, i.e. she was THERE in the room, floating as if she were a singing ghost, with normal timbre, only louder than a typical unamplified human voice

2. The soundstage is truly 3-D, with uncanny depth, height, width, and stability, with the WIDEST SWEET SPOT I ever remember hearing, so much so that—get this—THE IMAGE IS PRESERVED, EVEN WHEN SEATED OUTSIDE OF THE LATERAL CONFINES OF THE SPEAKERS! Yes, that is really true. Last night we listened to Mozart’s Symphony No. 41, Jupiter, (Phillips Digital Classics, DDD), preformed by the “Orchestra of the 18th Century.” I was seated off center and outside of the plane of the edge of the right speaker. It was STILL like listening to the orchestra. I was amazed, able to perceive central imaging, off center imaging, and actually place the instrument sections of the orchestra both side to side and front to back. It was absolutely unreal. The soundfield hung in space as a stable, 3-D image, even from that position, seeming to become a holographic entity unto itself, rather than a well crafted psychoacoustic illusion based on auditory cues.

DEPTH and HEIGHT: These consistently convey depth of soundstage, the likes of which I didn’t even know could possibly exist in a stereo system. The tympani seemed to come from the back of the room on the Jupiter piece. With Dueling Banjos, the two banjos are placed very precisely and three dimensionally in space, every single time, as follows:
The first banjo is about 2 feet in front of, three or four feet to the side of, and one to two feet below, the second banjo. Both banjos sound exactly like banjos in the room, and they stay virtually locked in their respective positions throughout the piece, even when they start playing really fast, together. The taller one on the left may move in about a foot or so but that’s it. The various notes from the first banjo seem to emanate from different positions along a short diagonal corresponding to long axis of that banjo itself.

WIDTH: These are the first speaker I’ve heard in over 10 to 15 YEARS that project an image convincingly outside the lateral edge of the speaker, as perceived from the sweet spot. I first perceived this when the speakers were on brass spikes on top of the stands, which were on spikes coupled to the floor. Dale suggested granite surface plates and Stillpoints with inverted risers. I was wary but did it anyway and the image outside the speakers actually became MORE convincing and stable (base also improved, necessitating a downward adjustment in the Rel’s crossover, and detail sharpened still further). This lateral projection occurs with the Carlos Santana Song, “Black Magic Woman”, during the interlude near the end, where two separate sets of bongos are playing simultaneously. One set is projected outside of the right speaker, seeming to emanate from above the Rel, and the other is projected about one foot inside of the left speaker. Both also are projected about one or two feet BEHIND the speakers as well, and these images remain stable throughout the song. Other instruments are placed appropriately and stably in positions elsewhere on the soundstage.

3. BASS: The bass from these speakers is far better than any monitor I’ve ever heard, and in fact is more like that of a floorstander. The low end rolloff is stated to be around 40 hertz, and the bass with these is actually even better than what I heard from the Paradigm Studio 100 V 3 speakers that I owned for about a year. The crossover is set at 27 hertz, not 28 like I had thought in an earlier post to a thread. The midbass punch is just as excellent as that of the Paradigms, and just a tad richer without being soft or fuzzy. I had had concerns about a two way system going so low, but the midrange doesn’t suffer at all. Dale Pitcher had mentioned some potential “Doppler issues”, potentially introducing distortion when the 7” carbon pulp driver has greater excursion at higher volumes. I have simply NOT been able to hear this, ever. I think that they are actually “Doppler NON-issues.”

Part IV. Photos—See below.


Part V. Personal anecdotes and observations of others, including non-audiophiles.

1. Alien abduction-like, lost time:

I was listening to these and it was getting later, around 9:04 on a school night. I wanted to listen to only one more song, for about 5 minutes. I listened for about 5 minutes, and glanced casually at the clock, startled to see that is was about 9:53. Then I remembered having listened to not just one but several songs, losing track of time. No aliens. It was kind of weird, though.

2. Closing my eyes, images of musicians playing instruments, moving and singing spontaneously appear in my mind’s eye, unprompted by me.

3. Our 10-year-old daughter’s friend was listening and asked why the loudspeakers suddenly sounded so “good”, after we got the Summits. Our 12 year old son said that it was weird that such a small speaker could sound so great, even compared with a larger floorstander. My mother in law is NOT an audiophile and NEVER had asked me to play the stereo (married 17+ years), but did just that when she heard “Dueling Banjos”. My 75 year old mother said that following the setup of these speakers, it was the first time she’d ever been able to detect a sonic difference out of all the other upgrades and tweaks. She thought that bass and separation were better.

A close family friend of ours, Rose, had this to say:

“The Intuitive Design Summit listening experience provides sensory delight in every sense of the word. The sound is ingested, swallowed whole, distributed to the senses, and the eyes watch while the sound dances overhead, just in front of the minds eye, just barely out of physical reach. There is a definitive head and heart connection, which delights the soul and the even the “average” listener will delight in the effect.

“The sound penetrates the senses, notes dance in the field of vision, while the auditory nerves carry the sound deep inside the chest/heart where the feeling is indescribable. I have never in my life ever heard or felt the notes in such a strong sense. The experience has been one of the most intense feelings I have ever allowed to wash over me and over take me.

“I do not consider myself an audiophile. Instead, I would consider myself a dilettante.”

Part VI. The Poem, “Pitcher Perfect: Ode to the Summits”

i know there are those who will think this a shill
but please understand that these loudspeakers thrill

so before you post pot shots, loud and shrill
please take a quick listen, if you will

your soul will shine, sparkle and glisten
if only you’ll give these fine speakers a listen

for then you should find my words to be true
but ‘til you listen, you won’t have a clue

the time’s getting late as I look at the clock
but I just had to tell you---these loudspeakers ROCK!

Part VII. The “Disclaimer”

Disclaimer/conflict of interest statement: NOTHING at all, I am just an ecstatic customer who’s been waiting anxiously to post this UNSOLICITED review. It was and is totally and completely my idea, which occurred to me AFTER purchasing and setting up these speakers. It is absolutely, positively NOT a shill. I swear to God.

(As a courtesy that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this review, which I had already planned to write, Dale Pitcher was kind enough to send to me four small sheets of ERS cloth in an attempt to solve an RF problem, which I had contacted HIM about. They did not work in that application and are not in use. It should be obvious to even the most hardened cynic (and/or dullest moron) that this act of courtesy does not constitute compensation or a quid pro quo. It seems absurd even to mention it, but having navigated through some of the threads on this site, I’ve chosen to include this distracting and ridiculously trivial “disclosure” as the default course of action.)

Associated gear
Dedicated circuit with two pairs of Porter Ports 20 amp outlets in a 4-plex configuration.

Groneberg Reference Power Cords for Osyssey Stratos Extreme monoblocks, plugged directly into the Porter Ports (because that's what Klaus told me to do :) )

Groneberg Reference Powercord for Odyssey Tempest Extreme Preamp.

Some higher end Transparent Reference cord for the Dodson 217 Mark II D DAC.

Previous generation 10 amp Powervar

Onkyo Integra DPC 8.5 universal player.

Groneberg Digital Reference interconnect from cd player to DAC.

Audioquest (Python ???) interconnects from DAC to Preamp.

All other interconnects are Audioparts mas Signature, cryo treated interconnects.

Speaker cables are Audioparts Mas Signature Hybrid Reference bi-wires, with spades, stacked at the speakers' binding posts.

Cable to the Rel Storm 3 is Signal Cable Speakon. Rel is plugged with a "regular" power cord directly into the wall.

A Parasound R/EQ 150 has been modified so that it can be in the signal path but emulate a hard wire connection when set on bypass, which it usually is.

The Onkyo universal player, the DAC, the preamplifier, and both monoblocks sit on Audiopoints by StarSound Technologies, and the points sit on the matching discs.

Stillpoints with inverse risers support both speakers and both stands, with the whole assembly sitting on huge granite surface plates (I got the 75 pound plates for about 130-something dollars, including shipping, on ebay).

First generation Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers are put on the back of the CD player, the DAC and inside of the Rel, spliced into its amp.

Second generation Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers are on the back of the preamp and the back of both amps.

All connections are treated with Quicksilver, from Extreme A/V.

Similar products
Paradigm Studio 100 v3, Paradigm S8's, Aerial floorstanders (I think 7B but am not sure), JM Labs Mini or Micro Utopia Be monitors; Totem Winds--all recently before buying the Summits, and I owned the Studio 100's for about a year.

Long ago I listened to Audio Physic Caldera Loudspeakers.
mdhoover
Agear,

Since you were already thrilled with the Delta Summits WITHOUT the matching Coordinate amplified stands, I'll be very interested to hear what you think of them WITH the Coordinate amplified stands.

I'll probably cave some day and get the Deltas and Coordinate amplified stands. But for me it's not a huge hurry, because after over two years, I'm still smitten. Plus, the very first order of business is to get rid of the massive entertainment center I call Gladys, which is currently parked between the Summits (they still sound great even with that thing in between them, though). My wife has given that the green light. Woohoo! That will happen when our finances allow. THEN I'll think about getting the Delta Summits, and the Coordinate amplified stands. But as I said, the REGULAR Summits sound SO good to me that I'm not itching for an upgrade*.

*FOOTNOTE:
That's a good thing too, because when I told my wife I wanted to buy the Summits, she was appalled. We had just gotten new speakers about a year prior to that. She told me that she pretty much expected the Summits to be my last new speakers for 10 years. So, since the Deltas are still technically "Summits," it could be argued that getting them doesn't "count" as getting new speakers, especially since I'd just be having my current Summits upgraded to the Delta version. :)) But I'm STILL not in any hurry to make changes (except for Gladys). "If it ain't broke....." Well, you know that aphorism ends.
Bill, I am excited to hear that Gladys will finally be exorcised from your listening room. Congrats. I am honestly a little surprised your wife capitulated on that one....it always seemed as if Gladys represented a subconscious protest against your audiophilia nervosa...

Anyway, my gear theoretically left the Intuitive Design shop Friday and is on route. It will be interesting to hear the interplay between the Coordinates and Deltas. According to one fortunate ID customer who already owns this combination, there is a synergy that takes place where the whole becomes greater than the individual parts...which is a little scary.

As far as your "upgrade," I feel that is completely legitimate....you just have to couch it in the appropriate language when presenting the idea to the misses...I would use words like "maintenance" or "overhaul"....it has to sound like a necessity....which of course it is....
hello andrew, just wondering if you received the deltas yet with the coordinate amps. any feedback?
I have to agree with those that say these are a special speaker. I purchased a pair about 4 months ago and never cease to be amazed at what I am hearing. Although these sound very good when placed by rough guidelines, they simply amaze when care is taken to set them up properly. I found it mandatory to utilize Stillpoints both above and below the Path stand to get the most out of these. Small changes in setup position can make a big impact on how these sound. Several owners I contacted were very helpful in providing tips for getting the most out of these great speakers.
The imaging and soundstaging capabilities of these are as good as I have heard anywhere. They retrieve a ton of detail without being harsh and provide the most enjoyable listening I've ever experienced. As Bill mentions above it is very easy to have a 30 minute listening session turn into 3 or 4 hours. They are that involving. Normally I can only get my wife to listen to 1 or 2 songs in a row on my system. About a month ago she sat and listened to 3 songs in a row that I picked out and then she went and picked out a couple more of her own. That is the first time that has happened in the 14 years we have been married.
I really cannot recommend these highly enough, especially considering what they sell for. If you are in the market for speakers in their price range, you owe it to yourself to find a way to audition a pair of Summits before you buy anything else.
I've been lurking about Bill's review for a couple years and felt it's about time to chime in, since I will soon become an "Intuitive Family Member"

I never once doubted his remarks nor Dave, Andrew, James or Duane for that matter !

My recent trip to Daves (Interlochen) only confirmed my beliefs, that's for sure, these speakers are so sonically invisible that once you hear them, you can't listen to much else !

NOTHING stands out, they are so seamless and smooth beyond belief that they literally vaporize before your eyes.

I'm a long time advocate and owner / listener of Avalons, Alons, Apogees, Aerials, Dahlquists, Magnepans, Vandersteens, Veritys etc.

The reason for the delay was of course financial, due to my townhouse purchase and wife's surgery.

Fast forward to present, things are sorting out finally and I fell into a great deal for a pair of like-new Summits.

Thank God and to all the other great "Family Members" I talk to on a weekly basis, I owe you all a HUGE thankyou for helping me hop off the merry-go-round and arrive at sonic nirvana !!

Everything said about these fabulous speakers is true, Dale Pitcher is truly off-the-map with his genius engineering.
Pat is an extremely gracious guest -- a very productive meeting. I'm glad you gathered the data you needed Pat.
Dave
Congrats Pat. I am glad you finally got to hear these speakers and realize that Mdhoover incorporated were/are not hallucinating. I am looking forward to hearing your formal impressions and in particular who they synergize with your NuForce amps.
Greetings,

I trust you are still enjoying your system.....congrats! I too have an REL Storm III and I'm considering the Signal Cable Speakon upgrade. Would you recommend it?

Thanks!

Rick
Hi Rick,

I bought the Signal Cable upgraded Speakon cable and I've never regretted purchasing it. I can't say that I've done any back and forth A-B testing versus the stock cable; instead I just put it in and never took it out to check for the improvement. Kind of lazy on my part, but when you see how huge the massive entertainment center, Gladys, is, it becomes more obvious why I dread going behind to mess with the cables. I will say that the sound certainly doesn't seem to be any worse with it--the Rel sounds great and adds measurably to the sound when turned on, which it almost always is.

What I can say is that it's certainly a very nice looking cable, and much thicker than the stock version. Also, the terminations at the amplifier end are custom made to fit into my amplifiers' binding posts, rather than having to thread the skinny wires that come with the stock cable. So, even without having done A/B testing of relative sound quality, I still like this cable better than the stock version due to its apparent higher build quality and greater ease of use (although I might have ordered it longer if I had it to do over again). Given the low price (at least in audiophile dollars, that is.....) of the Signal Cable upgrade, I think it's tough to go wrong.
Bill, please excuse this sidetrack.

Guys, I want to say it's a pleasure having met you all and conversing on a regular basis,
I enjoy the heck out of it !

It would really be nice if we were all neighbors in the same block area (imagine that)
our wives would sure know where to find us !

Thanks again everyone,

Pat


Hey Pat,

When you get these good looking speakers, I will place you on the mantel along with all others who live with speakers that disappear and more importantly "draw" you in with passion for listening.

Thanks to Mdhoover's passionate review, he poetically place words that everyday I have come to appreciate with my own uniquely different speakers.

Cheers
Luis
I finally received my Summits, long wait but well worth it.

They are completely measured in room, set-up on the granite surface plates, Stillpoints properly adjusted, bottom path stands filled with the appropriate amount of fine sand (25lbs equated to approx. 1/4 to 1/3 full per side dictated by my room size) and hooked up with a new set of Alpha-Core Goertz MI-3 Divinity cables.

The music is sublime, eminating from an invisible back-drop, the Summits disappear from the room and get better everyday.

I'm very grateful to have these wonderful transducers in my possesion and want to thank all the fine gentlemen above for introducing me to these,
I'm a happy camper.

In my 20+ years of auditioning experience, the Summits in no way have any short-comings or deficiencies to my ears what-so-ever, that's quite a feat for this picky guy.

I don't come away hankering or wanting for more after a session, they are very engaging and satisfying (sounds like something else we're familiar with, better half maybe) ?

This is a small report after 2 short days, more will follow as break-in and settling occurs.

Bill, thanks for letting me take some of your space here, I needed it !
Strong work Pat. Keep us posted. I am always excited to hear about the sonic fruit of different equipment with these speakers, which in your case includes NuForce digital amps.

Hi Pat,

I will see you at the "Summit" sharing that Chock full of Nuts Can..Ha!

Enjoy
Luis, I prefer Italian dark roast in my favorite mug, so BYOC
(bring your own cup) no sharing, me drinks separate !

Wondering about the difference between Gamma Summit and regular Summit.

Intuitive Designs net site is not very helpful and could definitely use some work.

Also, could someone address the weight of these speakers?
Thanks!
Dimensions and weights, etc. (Rounded off): Speakers: 19 ½ x 13½ x 11 inches, GROSS shipping weight = 84 lbs (each) (i.e. this includes the boxes)
Path Stands: 18 x 13 x 11¼ inches, GROSS shipping weight = 92 lbs (each) (i.e. this includes the boxes). The path stands are partially hollow and designed to have sand added. The 92 pound gross shipping weight does not include the sand. The amount of sand poured in varies depending on the room and other factors.
There is another thing that is optional but recommended, and several other owners concur with this: Placing granite surface plates under the whole setup (underneath the stands, which are underneath the speakers). Mine and Rx8man's are 18 x 12 x 3 inches each and weigh 75 pounds each.

With respect to the difference between the regular and Gamma Summits, others such as Agear and Interlochen might be able to comment more accurately than I could.
As Bill said, the granite surface plates under the stands really help, but you will also need another set of Stillpoints and inverted risers between the stands and the surface plates to get the most out of the setup. I too would be interested in the difference between regular, delta and gamma Summits.
The Deltas are not currently in production so that is a moot point. In terms of Gammas vs regular Summit, the Gammas have a stricter degree of driver matching, higher grade caps in the x-over, a higher level of filtering capacity in the x-over (nanotubes, near room temperature superconductors), a more tricked out wiring harness, etc. I have heard both. Both are outstanding speakers that would get you off the merry-go-round. The Gammas has slightly better bass response and are a little more see through and transparent.

Dale told me recently that he is making Gammas only for the next three months. He does have two sets of Summits made and there are dealers out there who have basic Summits available I believe. Either way, its a win win situation.
A small update on my listening.

The Summit speakers will most certainly remain my reference for many years to come.

They ultimately provide a most musical presentation (clear view through the open window) with ALL genres of music, you name it, no sissy stuff here.

During a recent audition, I decided to run a couple of what I call very demanding torture CD's, expecting the usual cringing or running to turn the volume control down.

These puppies sailed right straight through without any problems at all.

Best thing is, I never grow tired or bored listening to them, ever.
Rx8man,

That's great news! It's been my perception as well as that of quite a few others that they are musical yet detailed and smooth without being rolled off on the high end (at least to my ears). That means that they're also non-fatiguing but not boring either, so you can listen to them totally mesmerized for long periods of time.

When I first posted the above review in 2005, I was rather concerned that the claims made would be disbelieved. But one Audiogon member encouraged me by saying words to the effect that "You can only report what you hear." That person, is Tvad, whom I respect very much. Duane, the dealer who sold them to me, said essentially the same thing, i.e. something like "You can only report what you hear." So I submitted the review.

I will say that these speakers are not perfect, but they've blown away quite a few VERY persnickety people in a lot of situations. They are special, and it's gratifying to get feedback from satisfied end users like you.
I am in debt to Bill for hooking me up with Pat(Rx8man), who is located a reasonable drive from my home. I just spent a fun afternoon checking out Pat's set up. The contrast between his Summit set up and mine was interesting in that Pat has his in a small room and set up near field. He also uses a sweet tube preamp. My set up is mid/far field and uses all solid state. What really shines thru in both set ups is how incredible these speakers are. His system has a slightly warmer sound and the near field set up makes the music very immediate. Truly a great sounding system.
I found it very interesting that when I got home, I listened to several of the same tracks and moved my listening position to near field just for kicks. The level to which it sounded like Pat's was amazing. Just another testament to the integrity of Dale's design.
Pat was a very gracious host who's musical taste parallels mine almost exactly. Next time he gets to come here and make his own mental notes as to how the two systems compare.
Thanks Chris (and Bill) Intuitive Summit speakers really make music come alive.

It was great having you over to listen and compare notes.

Not only are our musical tastes on a parallel universe, we even cherry-picked the same cuts off every CD !

On a side note, later that evening when I commenced listening, the preamp decided to go into its first stage of break-in without warning, and what a break-in it was !
Thanks for the good report Pat (and Chris). Its nice to have the ID witness corroborated so we don't look like some lunatic fringe. I have farted around with nearfield listening simply due to my room size (the wife always managed to shoehorn me into some crappy little room....that is going to change soon...more to come) and the Summits excel. They are a fairly flexible speaker, although small changes or variations in setup are almost always noticable. Pat, keep us posted. I am especially interested to hear how the Dude synergizes with the Summits and how the burn-in goes.
The Summits also work very well at wider than average spacing. I've had them 11' apart, 9.5' listener distance.

The trick is to roughly maintain the off axis angular relationship found in Dale's 7/11 (spacing/ears) rule of thumb, which is about 18 degrees. 12 degrees of toe-in will do it.

A different perspective than near-field, which I also like and use at my main computer station. Worth a try if you have the room and the courage to move all app. 300 lbs a side. That includes your manly 3" thick Granite slab.

The Summits are extraordinary. They have a sumptuous magic that would be hard to replace.

I'm using Dale's Pingora's now, but drive the Summits with a Clayton S100 amp and John Hillig's 6H30pi pre. The incredibly Zardoz Model 1 (basic) spoon feeds the magical musical electrons.
The Summits also work very well at wider than average spacing. I've had them 11' apart, 9.5' listener distance.

The trick is to roughly maintain the off axis angular relationship found in Dale's 7/11 (spacing/ears) rule of thumb, which is about 18 degrees. 12 degrees of toe-in will do it.

A different perspective than near-field, which I also like and use at my main computer station. Worth a try if you have the room and the courage to move all app. 300 lbs a side. That includes your manly 3" thick Granite slab.

The Summits are extraordinary. They have a sumptuous magic that would be hard to replace.

I'm using Dale's Pingora's now, but drive the Summits with a Clayton S100 amp and John Hillig's 6H30pi pre. The incredibly Zardoz Model 1 (basic) spoon feeds the magical musical electrons.
Are they still in business? Their phone number is a fax machine and no response from e-mails.
I know that he is swamped with orders, so yes, Intuitive Design is definitely still open for business.

Is it possible that Dale actually took a vacation?
I'm a dealer in CT have 3 pairs of Summits and Pinnacle Center available for sale

First I would like to thank Bill for bringing to light these remarkable speakers to the audio community. I have followed this enjoyable thread from the beginning and now I am a happy owner of a pair of Gamma Summits. Having been in this hobby for about 40 years and having owned all types of equipment over that span, solid state, tubes, you name it I have either heard it or owned it. The Gammas are a highly refined speaker that will reveal every component in your system. If you have any weak links it will reveal them, this can be a blessing or a curse however that is part of the fun putting together a system.
My next step is replacing my Ayon CD3 player. I have always liked this fine cdp but the gammas have revealed that this is my weakest link. I can happily live the this cdp for the long term but the exciting part is that I know with a digital upgrade the speakers will simply reveal more of the music. I am also going to buy a record player (I have over 500 albums) because the Gammas has brought back the fun of listening to music.

I won't go into details about how this speaker sounds because I don't feel I could add anything to what has already been posted. However if you are looking for that last quality speaker the Gammas will perform with any speaker I have heard up to $20,000 which makes them somewhat a bargin.
Bob, I was wondering what happened with the Gammas since I did not hear back from you after your initial battery of questions.

Did your 300Bs work or did you find more powerful amps?

Andrew,

As good as the 300b sounded I knew the Gammas needed more power so my hunt was on. My search lead me to a french company and believe or not I bought a solid state integrated. Being a hardcore tube man I can't believe a solid state amp could sound this good. I bought the Neodio NR600 Signature, and it will out perform most of the elite seperate brands on the market. It has a great tube sound without the trouble associated with tube maintance. I know this sounds over the top but the Neodio is a rare find just like the Gammas.
Outstanding and interesting. Well implemented SS is hard to find. I know Bill has had success with the Odysseys. I had both Dale's Coordinate Monoblocks and TRL Samsons and they both did well. The Gammas can be tricky to voice correctly and are finicky about what's upstream including cables. No cheap stuff.

Again. congrats.
I looked at their website. Very elegant looking amp. What type of amp is it? Class A, digital, AB? I could not figure that out from the site. What TRL SS piece did you own in the past?
The Neodio is a 100 watt Class AB, but the designer implemented a very clever circuit which sounds like the best class A ss available. You are right solid state can be done right but it is very rare. I have heard some of the top upper end ss like Gryphon, Vitus, Solution & FM Accoustic all class A, these products start around $40,000 & exceed $100,000 for their top amps. I first heard about Neodio thru a French heart surgeon who owned top of the line Swiss FM Accoustics and bought a Neodio Integrated for a second system. It sounded so good that he inserted it into his reference system and felt that the Neodio held its own against the FM Accoustics and in some ways was better. That was a good enough endorsement for me to look at the Neodio since I had heard two incredible FM Accoustic systems in the last couple of years. Believe me when I tell you I had no idea that SS could sound that good & alive. The build quality of the Neodio is just as expectional as the sound. I owned TRL's Samson's which I think were the first pair Paul ever made. Shortly after he renamed them the Samson's, mine were labeled 225's mono blocks. I believe Paul added some updates from my model. The Neodio has put to shame any SS I have ever owned. That includes a few really nice sounding amps. The Neodio also has improved on my Air tight 300b/Joule Electra 300ME combo in every conceievable way. Yes it sounds like a over the top enthusiasm for and audio product but if you heard the Neodio on the Gammas you would fully understand.
That's great Bob. The fit and finish is spectacular. I wonder if they will be at Axpona? Despite their sensitivity rating, the Gammas are "hard to drive." They need a lot of current to open up and sing, and I am a little surprised the Neo is able to do so. Very interesting. This young French designer seems very clever and is obviously up to something.

The TRL amps have evolved enormously over time and it is hard to know how the current generation, which I own, relates to the 225s. I also own a Dude which is another ripple in discerning what is what sonically.

In a few years, I will be adding a second system upstairs and have been sleuthing for good integrated units. One that has come to mind is the LSA statement amp. I will obviously add this to the list. Very kool....
It has been almost a full year since I bought the Gammas and I am still blown away by these speakers. I have made some very nice upgrades to my system the last year which has taken my system to a new level of enjoyment. First I replaced my Ayon CD3 with Rega's Isis CDP. This is Rega's assult on SOTA and is the most analog sounding CDP I have heard. The Isis outperformed much more expensive CDP's from Esoteric, DCS, EMM Labs & Audio Reseach CD8 in my system. Next I switched to balanced cables. I am using Jade hybrid cables. Outstanding! Last but certainly not least I added a pair of Foundation Labs LC10's line conditioners to my Rega & Neodio amp. All of these changes simply have added quite a nice level of refined sound that gets closer to the real thing. With the Gammas and Neodio 600NR Sig. as the foundation of my system these new additions have turned my system from an exceptional one into possibly a true world class performer. I have heard numerous systems costing many times what I have invested and to my ears this Gamma based system would embarassed most of them.
Good news Bob. The Gammas are very good speakers that reveal the quality of what's upstream. A friend of mine has the Neodio DAC/CDP and is very taken with it. Lot of $$$ though....Happy listening....
More people need to hear these speakers.

Heard them and Sonus Faber as the dealer, absolutely NO comparision.
I should have looked harder... www.intuitiveaudio.com, not a whole lot there though.
Dale's website is a skeletal PDF. You can always call him with questions...
Branislav, there used to be an owner in Dallas. That was the only dude I knew about.
I have a pair of the Gamma Summits. Wonderful speakers. I'd like some advice on filling the Path stands with sand. I've heard different thoughts on this: fill one-third, one-half, two-thirds... What is your experience, and how does it affect the sound?
I know from experience that when you overfill a speaker stand you can suck the life right out of the speaker being supported. With sand I would start with a third or even a quarter. If you started out small and kept adding by volume you should hear a tipping point where fine detail and and acoustic air are removed from the listening space. Tom