Review: Intuitive Design/Pitcher Sound Labs Summit PSL 624 Speaker


Category: Speakers

Intuitive Design Summit model number PSL 624 (PSL=Pitcher Sound Labs)

Part I: Introduction

The Intuitive Design Summit Loudspeakers are almost certainly the last loudspeaker I will ever buy. They have completely blown away even my most ridiculously unrealistic expectations. This review will humbly attempt to do justice to these utterly magnificent, stunningly transcendent masterpieces of sonic transduction. I am a consumer with no affiliation to any audio retailer or manufacturer. My only goals are to inform the audiophile community about these and to pique its curiosity, possibly to the point where some people may actually to give these an audition—something they so richly deserve.

The review has seven parts:
1. Introduction;
  2. Synopsis (just read this if you want to get the main points without
suffering through the whole tome);  
3. The fleshed out, fully detailed narrative (extremely long and thorough, beware);
4. Photos;
5. Personal anecdotes and observations of others;
6. My poem: “Pitcher Perfect—The Fabulous Summits” (I had to do it!);
7. Disclaimer statement. (This is really stupid but is intended to preempt shill
accusations.)



Part II: Synopsis

The Intuitive Design Summits are a two-way, dynamic loudspeaker with a custom, proprietary, chambered, 1” soft dome tweeter; a 7” carbon pulp midbass driver; a first order crossover; capacitors manufactured on site by Intuitive Design; a granite cabinet; and the granite Path Stand System. Mine have Stillpoints and inverted risers under both of the speakers and both of the Path Stands, which in turn are placed on 18 x 12 x 3 inch, 75 pound granite surface plates.

Dimensions and weights, etc. (Rounded off):
Speakers: 19 ½ x 13 ½ x 11 inches, gross shipping weight=84 lbs (each) with boxes
Path Stands: 18 x 13 x 11 ¼ inches, gross shipping weight=92 lbs (each) with boxes,
but without the sand poured in
Overall, in our room (see photo with 4 foot “yard”stick): height is 43 ½ inches
Distance from back wall is between 26 and 28 inches to the BACK of each speaker
Room dimensions: 20 ft 10 in x 15 ½ ft x 9 ft (ceiling height)
Speakers are parallel to the longer wall.

These speakers are the best I’ve heard, with a unique and profoundly powerful
combination of high end smoothness and detail. The imaging is utterly three dimensional, stable and holographic, practically beyond belief. Off axis dispersion is outstanding, and yet the precision of the imaging seems to be completely unaffected by this. The entire sonic spectrum down to around the 40 hertz rolloff is presented with stark, vivid realism that is uncanny and seamless.

It must be noted that the superlative sonic attributes come to their fullest fruition only
when the Dodson 217 Mark II D DAC is in the signal path. The superb bass response is contingent on outstanding amplification, such as that provided by the Odyssey Extreme Monoblocks, which are rated at greater than 200 wpc, and are probably closer to 300, with outstanding current delivery, as assured by the presence of 360,000 microfarads of capacitance.


Part III: Fully Detailed Narrative

 PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL COMPARISONS WITH OTHER BRANDS OF SPEAKERS ARE SUBJECTIVE, AND STRICTLY MY OWN OPINION BASED ON LIMITED LISTENING. ANY BRANDS I NAME BELOW WERE FAVORABLY IMPRESSIVE IN SOME WAY, AND ANY “DOGS” HAVE BEEN OMITTED. YOUR OPINION MAY VARY OR BE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO MINE, AND I DO NOT CONSIDER MINE TO BE THE REFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR ME.

I am 43 years old and have arrived at audiophile nirvana. The audiophile journey began in my teens, listening to speakers like the original AR 90 (never even got to hear the legendary AR 9’s). I vaguely remember a General Electric system, then a Panasonic system, 10 wpc solid state receiver with an 8 track and large, 2 way speakers with a passive radiator and soft, boomy bass, which I thought was great at the time. The first real system I had was during my 20’s, and included a Parasound receiver with preamp outputs, the legendary B&K ST140 amplifier, and what must have been the original (or near original) version of the Paradigm 9SE loudspeakers. Years passed and my audiophile interest was again piqued by loudspeaker listings on Audiogon. I ended up with Paradigm Studio 100 V3 speakers augmented by a Rel Storm 3 sub-bass unit and driven by Odyssey Extreme monoblocks, with a Rotel RC 995 preamp, and Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers. I was actually fairly satisfied, but not utterly transfixed in paroxysmal ecstasy like I am now.

Duane, a dealer who I’ve known for over 10 years, had been talking about a 3,000 dollar speaker that sounded like a 10,000 dollar speaker. (The Summits are about 3,500 dollars and the Path Stand System is about 1,500 dollars). I listened to them even though I was fairly satisfied with the Paradigms. I couldn’t believe the synergistic combination of smoothness, detail and bass reproduction combined with an excellent soundstage. Dynamic range was practically identical to that of the Paradigms and the mid bass was better. Given their price, I became upset and finally caved in and bought the Summits, plus upgraded the preamp, and added the Dodson.

As currently configured in my system, with Odyssey Monoblock Extreme amplifiers, an Odyssey Extreme Tempest Preamplifier, and the Dodson 217 Mark 2 D DAC with upgraded 218-like software, these are the finest loudspeakers I have ever heard, with the closest competitor being the old, three box version of the Audio Physic Caldera, fed by about 7000 dollars of front end electronics, including Spectral products. Those retailed for about 20,000. I listened to those several years ago and did so only once, but did use some of my own source material (Police, Synchronicity 2, Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, gold disc). It’s a close call, the memory is less clear than before, the systems are different and there was never anything like an A/B, but the subjective impression of profound sonic excellence imparted by the Summits is even more powerful that imparted by the Calderas. Previously, there was nothing close to the Calderas, in my mind.

Other speakers I have listened to much more recently, which were great, but not as great as the Summits, (in my own, unscientific, subjective and possibly flawed opinion ONLY), include: 1. Totem Winds: Just a great loudspeaker, with great tonality and detail, great soundstage, but seemed inferior to the Summits with respect to soundstage height and, in retrospect, mid bass punch); 2. JM Lab (either Mini or Micro Utopias, whichever sell for around 5,000; these had the Be tweeter): Very detailed and fairly sweet high end, excellent midrange and soundstage, but quite lacking in the bass, seeming to roll off at a rather high frequency, and showing some softness and just a hint of boominess, not acceptable to me, even knowing they’d have been supplemented by the Rel; 3. One of the upper level Aerials, I think it was the 7B: Really a fine loudspeaker with true finesse and sweetness on the high end, and a very respectable soundstage. These seemed a little rolled off on the high end and possibly slightly lacking in sonic detail. Sonically they reminded me of some of Dale Pitcher’s earlier designs in the lower to middle echelons of the Essence lineup. Those were a very “nice” loudspeaker with no glaring weaknesses, but they never blew me away like his Summits do now.

Specifically:

1. The Summits have the most amazing combination of high end smoothness and detail I have ever heard in any loudspeaker, at any price, bar none, especially when the Dodson DAC is in the signal path (it is possible for me to listen A/B by switching inputs on the preamp between the player directly or through the Dodson). This confers an incredible, unique and stark realism that is practically indescribable. It is a consistent feature irrespective of program material, including rock music, classical music, jazz, bluegrass, folk music, and even other things like the Cybergenesis theme from the Terminator Soundtrack. Sumiko has a song used its by dealers in setting up systems called “Say a Prayer for the Cowgirl.” This is a well recorded track and sounded very good through the Paradigms. It sounded utterly real and qualitatively different—starkly so—through the Summits. The Paradigms made it sound like the woman was in the center of the soundfield, singing into a microphone. The Summits made it sound like her voice was being magically amplified with no microphone or any hint of electronic artifact whatsoever, i.e. she was THERE in the room, floating as if she were a singing ghost, with normal timbre, only louder than a typical unamplified human voice

2. The soundstage is truly 3-D, with uncanny depth, height, width, and stability, with the WIDEST SWEET SPOT I ever remember hearing, so much so that—get this—THE IMAGE IS PRESERVED, EVEN WHEN SEATED OUTSIDE OF THE LATERAL CONFINES OF THE SPEAKERS! Yes, that is really true. Last night we listened to Mozart’s Symphony No. 41, Jupiter, (Phillips Digital Classics, DDD), preformed by the “Orchestra of the 18th Century.” I was seated off center and outside of the plane of the edge of the right speaker. It was STILL like listening to the orchestra. I was amazed, able to perceive central imaging, off center imaging, and actually place the instrument sections of the orchestra both side to side and front to back. It was absolutely unreal. The soundfield hung in space as a stable, 3-D image, even from that position, seeming to become a holographic entity unto itself, rather than a well crafted psychoacoustic illusion based on auditory cues.

DEPTH and HEIGHT: These consistently convey depth of soundstage, the likes of which I didn’t even know could possibly exist in a stereo system. The tympani seemed to come from the back of the room on the Jupiter piece. With Dueling Banjos, the two banjos are placed very precisely and three dimensionally in space, every single time, as follows:
The first banjo is about 2 feet in front of, three or four feet to the side of, and one to two feet below, the second banjo. Both banjos sound exactly like banjos in the room, and they stay virtually locked in their respective positions throughout the piece, even when they start playing really fast, together. The taller one on the left may move in about a foot or so but that’s it. The various notes from the first banjo seem to emanate from different positions along a short diagonal corresponding to long axis of that banjo itself.

WIDTH: These are the first speaker I’ve heard in over 10 to 15 YEARS that project an image convincingly outside the lateral edge of the speaker, as perceived from the sweet spot. I first perceived this when the speakers were on brass spikes on top of the stands, which were on spikes coupled to the floor. Dale suggested granite surface plates and Stillpoints with inverted risers. I was wary but did it anyway and the image outside the speakers actually became MORE convincing and stable (base also improved, necessitating a downward adjustment in the Rel’s crossover, and detail sharpened still further). This lateral projection occurs with the Carlos Santana Song, “Black Magic Woman”, during the interlude near the end, where two separate sets of bongos are playing simultaneously. One set is projected outside of the right speaker, seeming to emanate from above the Rel, and the other is projected about one foot inside of the left speaker. Both also are projected about one or two feet BEHIND the speakers as well, and these images remain stable throughout the song. Other instruments are placed appropriately and stably in positions elsewhere on the soundstage.

3. BASS: The bass from these speakers is far better than any monitor I’ve ever heard, and in fact is more like that of a floorstander. The low end rolloff is stated to be around 40 hertz, and the bass with these is actually even better than what I heard from the Paradigm Studio 100 V 3 speakers that I owned for about a year. The crossover is set at 27 hertz, not 28 like I had thought in an earlier post to a thread. The midbass punch is just as excellent as that of the Paradigms, and just a tad richer without being soft or fuzzy. I had had concerns about a two way system going so low, but the midrange doesn’t suffer at all. Dale Pitcher had mentioned some potential “Doppler issues”, potentially introducing distortion when the 7” carbon pulp driver has greater excursion at higher volumes. I have simply NOT been able to hear this, ever. I think that they are actually “Doppler NON-issues.”

Part IV. Photos—See below.


Part V. Personal anecdotes and observations of others, including non-audiophiles.

1. Alien abduction-like, lost time:

I was listening to these and it was getting later, around 9:04 on a school night. I wanted to listen to only one more song, for about 5 minutes. I listened for about 5 minutes, and glanced casually at the clock, startled to see that is was about 9:53. Then I remembered having listened to not just one but several songs, losing track of time. No aliens. It was kind of weird, though.

2. Closing my eyes, images of musicians playing instruments, moving and singing spontaneously appear in my mind’s eye, unprompted by me.

3. Our 10-year-old daughter’s friend was listening and asked why the loudspeakers suddenly sounded so “good”, after we got the Summits. Our 12 year old son said that it was weird that such a small speaker could sound so great, even compared with a larger floorstander. My mother in law is NOT an audiophile and NEVER had asked me to play the stereo (married 17+ years), but did just that when she heard “Dueling Banjos”. My 75 year old mother said that following the setup of these speakers, it was the first time she’d ever been able to detect a sonic difference out of all the other upgrades and tweaks. She thought that bass and separation were better.

A close family friend of ours, Rose, had this to say:

“The Intuitive Design Summit listening experience provides sensory delight in every sense of the word. The sound is ingested, swallowed whole, distributed to the senses, and the eyes watch while the sound dances overhead, just in front of the minds eye, just barely out of physical reach. There is a definitive head and heart connection, which delights the soul and the even the “average” listener will delight in the effect.

“The sound penetrates the senses, notes dance in the field of vision, while the auditory nerves carry the sound deep inside the chest/heart where the feeling is indescribable. I have never in my life ever heard or felt the notes in such a strong sense. The experience has been one of the most intense feelings I have ever allowed to wash over me and over take me.

“I do not consider myself an audiophile. Instead, I would consider myself a dilettante.”

Part VI. The Poem, “Pitcher Perfect: Ode to the Summits”

i know there are those who will think this a shill
but please understand that these loudspeakers thrill

so before you post pot shots, loud and shrill
please take a quick listen, if you will

your soul will shine, sparkle and glisten
if only you’ll give these fine speakers a listen

for then you should find my words to be true
but ‘til you listen, you won’t have a clue

the time’s getting late as I look at the clock
but I just had to tell you---these loudspeakers ROCK!

Part VII. The “Disclaimer”

Disclaimer/conflict of interest statement: NOTHING at all, I am just an ecstatic customer who’s been waiting anxiously to post this UNSOLICITED review. It was and is totally and completely my idea, which occurred to me AFTER purchasing and setting up these speakers. It is absolutely, positively NOT a shill. I swear to God.

(As a courtesy that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this review, which I had already planned to write, Dale Pitcher was kind enough to send to me four small sheets of ERS cloth in an attempt to solve an RF problem, which I had contacted HIM about. They did not work in that application and are not in use. It should be obvious to even the most hardened cynic (and/or dullest moron) that this act of courtesy does not constitute compensation or a quid pro quo. It seems absurd even to mention it, but having navigated through some of the threads on this site, I’ve chosen to include this distracting and ridiculously trivial “disclosure” as the default course of action.)

Associated gear
Dedicated circuit with two pairs of Porter Ports 20 amp outlets in a 4-plex configuration.

Groneberg Reference Power Cords for Osyssey Stratos Extreme monoblocks, plugged directly into the Porter Ports (because that's what Klaus told me to do :) )

Groneberg Reference Powercord for Odyssey Tempest Extreme Preamp.

Some higher end Transparent Reference cord for the Dodson 217 Mark II D DAC.

Previous generation 10 amp Powervar

Onkyo Integra DPC 8.5 universal player.

Groneberg Digital Reference interconnect from cd player to DAC.

Audioquest (Python ???) interconnects from DAC to Preamp.

All other interconnects are Audioparts mas Signature, cryo treated interconnects.

Speaker cables are Audioparts Mas Signature Hybrid Reference bi-wires, with spades, stacked at the speakers' binding posts.

Cable to the Rel Storm 3 is Signal Cable Speakon. Rel is plugged with a "regular" power cord directly into the wall.

A Parasound R/EQ 150 has been modified so that it can be in the signal path but emulate a hard wire connection when set on bypass, which it usually is.

The Onkyo universal player, the DAC, the preamplifier, and both monoblocks sit on Audiopoints by StarSound Technologies, and the points sit on the matching discs.

Stillpoints with inverse risers support both speakers and both stands, with the whole assembly sitting on huge granite surface plates (I got the 75 pound plates for about 130-something dollars, including shipping, on ebay).

First generation Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers are put on the back of the CD player, the DAC and inside of the Rel, spliced into its amp.

Second generation Dakiom Feedback Stabilizers are on the back of the preamp and the back of both amps.

All connections are treated with Quicksilver, from Extreme A/V.

Similar products
Paradigm Studio 100 v3, Paradigm S8's, Aerial floorstanders (I think 7B but am not sure), JM Labs Mini or Micro Utopia Be monitors; Totem Winds--all recently before buying the Summits, and I owned the Studio 100's for about a year.

Long ago I listened to Audio Physic Caldera Loudspeakers.
mdhoover
The cloth basically muffles the sound from the drivers.  There are a few speaker designers that claim their grills are designed to enhance the sound. That's pure BS.  It's putting a blanket over the speaker and then expecting it be sound better not muffled.  Harbeth's claim the same but at least there not glued to the speaker.

The Gammas sound better without their grills.


Some designers apply many elements of damping material as did Dale..the grilles and their attachment a case in point. Tom
Can't believe I have owned these speakers for over 10 years.  I am still totally enjoying them.  These speakers have had such high praise from numerous owners over the years that I am embarrassed to admit that I had drank too much of the Dale Pitcher cool aid.  One night recently while enjoying some nice vinyl I was staring at my Gammas and decided to take the speaker covers off.  They are glued to the front but with a few tools I managed to pry them off.
It should not have been a surprise but the speakers were more open and revealing.  I should of done this 10 years ago.  Not a completely new speaker but nice suttle improvements in the presentation.
Bob, good for you for squeezing the most out of the Gammas.  A lot of people fail, and they truly a marvelous design and close to the best speaker I have owned.  I sold them due to concerns about small children (thank you Bill).  Sufur, 25 years is an eternity for an audiophile, and speaks to the genius of some of his designs.  Sadly, I believe what jsautter says is true, but you can never completely count Dale out.  Who knows.  
I dont believe that Intuitive Design is an ongoing concern nor is Dale still in this industry. 
Regarding set up I have Dale's older speakers for the past 25 years, I've seen his set ups in Lincoln in the 90s and Wyoming in the 2000s, and images from RMAF and elsewhere, I've never seen him use toe in. Personally I've had success using Jim Smith's 83% distance mid speaker to mid speaker compared to the distance from speaker to ear. 
"Now back to the music."  
-bobheinatz

That pretty much says it all, Bob.  :D 

Wow! Mindblowing! Listening tonight for 3.5 hours the Gammas have never sounded better.  I just got some work done on my 2a3 mono blocks and they are now dead silent and ever more musical.  Thur the Gammas new depth and musical details come thur sweet and smooth.  I have enjoyed these speakers for close to 10 years now and they still surprise me  by how enjoyable they are.  The Gammas supporting cast is very strong but no pretentious superstars here.  Just a well balance vinyl rig. Now back to the music. 
@nicksgem10s 
What kind of budget do you have for an amp and what is your preamp/front end? Dale himself swears by Musical Design gear and how well it mates with his stuff. It is a little under the radar, like the Summits and very affordable. 
nicksgem10s:  I’ve had great luck with my Odyssey Stratos Extreme monoblocks, which have been upgraded.....some...how....by Klaus. I don’t know the full particulars with respect to my pair. I do know that they sound great with the Summits. Mine are not even the latest and greatest thing that he offers.
(I got the Summit tweeter upgrade also and my tweeters and the associated capacitors are still not finished with the burning in/breaking in process.)
matt0404 any additional comments with your speakers and amp combo?  I recently bought a pair of these speakers with the upgraded tweeter module and am finally going to get a chance to decide on an amplifier to use with them.  Any other recommendations would be appreciated.  I will be using a solid state amp just don't know which one yet.
Splurged a bit on a Jeff Rowland Model 112.  Too soon to form a concrete opinion but, initially, I'm quite impressed with the change.

https://goo.gl/photos/59d3XkEGzCBE53sG6
https://goo.gl/photos/dcEuy63BP1WaAsMc6


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So my time with the Yamaha A-S2100 is coming to an end.  The short version of the story is that I recently bought this unit used, but it arrived damaged.  I've been listening to it while FedEx works the claim but I expect a refund in the near future.  This leads me here for some guidance from those of you with more experience with these speakers and how they pair with amps.  

My refund will be $1700 and that really is about the top of my budget for a replacement integrated.  I prefer the simplicity and convenience of an integrated as they're not as intimidating for my wife to use, and I want her to enjoy great music, too, ya' know.  She tends to simply not listen to music at all if it involves a power on/shut down sequence.  That's another story.  Anyway, I could still be convinced to buy a separate power amp if the expected bump in performance should outweigh the sacrifice in convenience and WAF.  My budget for a separate amp would be reduced to $1000 due to the fact that I'd need a preamp, too.

Given my limited budget, is there anything out there you guys could recommend?  I tend to prefer a musical amp with good rhythm, bass, and midrange presence.   Solid state or tubes is fine with me.  What do you guys think?


Thanks for your input, glaucon.  Your description of analytical was exactly what I was trying to get across.  I'm listening to the same music that I have for years...and with pretty good equipment...and I'm hearing things I haven't heard before.  The Summits resolve the fine little details that were previously masked beneath a more dominant layer of music, and they do so without being harsh or in your face about it.  I can see where analytical could be an antonym to musical, but that was not my intent.  These speakers are highly musical and engaging.

I need to dial in their placement, so thank you for the tips.  The Path stands are currently about 2/3 full of sand, which is why they were so damn difficult to carry into the house!  I currently have them about 2' from the rear and side walls, with a tiny bit of toe-in.  I'm thinking that I'll experiment without toe in and see if the already impressive soundstage and imaging improve.
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Matt these speaker are not analytical at all.  They are extremely musical.   You will not have a clue of how good the Gammas are until you seriously upgrade each piece of your system.  As I stated above I went thru the entire process and these are world class speakers that need top supporting equipment to perform their best.
I have them home and setup now.  These are a very different speaker than I'm accustomed to.  Very resolving and analytical, but not in that dry, clinical way that leads to fatigue.  They're smooth and engaging and draw you into the music.  

These still need some break in time and I need to let my ears adjust, but, initially, I'm very impressed.

Here's a shot of the entire haul.  Speakers, stands, granite bases, 12 Standpoints, 2 extra tweeters, 2 extra woofers, and a pair of custom speaker cables (not shown).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/J8Jnyy8gSiT8BtSw2



Matt I am very familiar with your current speaker and it is a very fine sounding speaker. The Gammas are a much more refined speaker and will improve even more with any upgrades you do to your system.  I have had mine for 7 years now and I feel they are so involving and musical There is no need to even think of new speakers.
Be careful with them.  They're heavy as hell and easily damaged during shipping.  

Aerial Acoustics is a GREAT company, one of the best that I can think of. I've never heard the 10T's, so I can't comment or even speculate on how they might compare to the Summits.  I learned long ago that the ONLY way (for me, anyway) to evaluate speakers is by listening to them for myself.  The same thing applies to most audiophiles, I would think.  

I do think the Summits are worthy of an audition, and I still stand by that claim.  Are they worth driving 8 hours one way to listen to?  To a serious audiophile on a quest for near perfection, I'd say.......YES.  

Have fun and tell us either way it goes.   
Well, I'm hoping my front end is sufficient.  Right now I'm running a pretty simple setup consisting of a Yamaha A-S2100, Teac UD-501 DAC, and a heavily modded Rega P2 TT.  Audioquest PC's and Discovery +4 IC's throughout.  

I'm thinking I'll start with the Summits around 2' from the side walls and 3' from the rear wall and go from there.That should leave about 7' between the speakers and roughly 8' center to center.  

My current speakers are Aerial Acoustics 10T's and, as I sat listening last night, I found myself wondering if it can really get much better than this.  The Aerials are a fine speaker, but everything I've read on the Summits leads me to believe I'm going to be quite impressed.  

I'll be driving 8 hours to pick them up tomorrow and it'll be Sunday before I'll be back to set them up.  I can't wait!
Assuming you have ample power and current to drive them and assuming you have at least a decent (by audiophile standards) front end, then I predict you'll be flabbergasted by their magicality  They do sound much better after about 1/2 hour of warm up.  At least that's the case with the "regular" Summits.  

I can't speak to the dimensions of your room and the effect on the sound. I have a vague and unsubstantiated gut feeling that it won't matter that much.  In other words, I suspect that they'll totally blow away even your most ridiculously unrealistic expectations--but I could be very wrong about that (probably not, though  :D)
It's been nearly 12 years since the creation of this thread.  How many owners are still out there?  Have your impressions changed?

If all goes well, I should be picking up a pair of Gamma Summits this weekend.  I'm really looking forward to giving these a listen.  My room is rather narrow and long (13'x22') and the speakers will need to be setup along the 13' wall.  Does anyone have any pointers regarding placement?  Because of the length of the room, I can get the speakers out away from the back wall, but I'm concerned about their proximity to the side walls.  Listening position will be about 8-10' in front of the speakers.
I have now owned the Gammas for 6 years and like fine aged wine they just keep getting better.  Since my last update 10 months ago I have made a couple of systems changes that have brought up the Gammas to another level.  The first change was in the speaker wire.  NOS Western Electric wire that cost $23.00 with shipping that replaced a $2500+ cable.  No contest!  Most natural sounding wire I have heard.  Perhaps the best audio find of all time.  The second change was the turntable.  I went from a nice moderate priced tt to a serious upgrade.  Naturally Dale Pitchers speakers responded.  Another level of layered music.  Yes I love these speakers!

Listening room almost done (http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1437842374&view

The twisted paradox is that we are moving in the spring after all this labor.....oh well.
Hi Andrew. Hopefully I am getting wiser and realize the Gammas are tough to beat. The amps are a spare I had boxed the last couple of years. George Wright Signature AU-15's that perform well above their price. CDP Rega Isis. Best single box solution I have heard that doesn't cost a small fortune. How is your listening room coming along?
Good for you Bob. Its funny things are copacetic years later despite your repeated attempts at an exorcism. What 2A3 amps are you using?

James D in Minnesota, who introduced me to ID, has had a vinyl renaissance as well (Well Tempered). What digital were you using? Lampizator (tubed dac) has worked well with my Illuminations....
It seems like I give the Intuitive Design community a 12 month update so I guess the time is here. Still amazed at how good the gammas perform day to day. I have made some changes in the past year which have increased my listening enjoyment. First I sold my custom mono block tube amps and replaced them with a 13 watts push pull 2A3 based monoblocks. Guys you can't believe how they sound and the bass I am getting out of these amps. BTW these 13 watters cost about a quarter of the price of the custom amps but I enjoy them so much more. The other major change is I have gotten back into vinyl. I have a moderate priced TT and can't believe the emotional connection I now have with music. My digital gear is outstanding but very rarely gets used anymore. I will be upgrading my turntable in the very near future and selling my digital gear.

If you aren't emotionally connected to the music like I am now with vinyl you owe it to yourself to check it out. To be continued when I upgrade turntables. Gammas still do it for me.
Csmgolf, there is a rightness to Dale's stuff that is indeed immediately obvious. I attribute a lot of that to time and phase alignment. I felt the same way about Meadolark (RIP). I just spoke with a dude in OK who now owns three pairs of Summits! Some of the SPL issues can be addressed with either amp choice (the Summits are very sensitive to this and I heard night and day differences with amp changes) and a subwoofer as Mdhoover has done. Either way, congrats and welcome back to the family.
I too must agree that Dale Pitcher rocks. Having previously owned the Summits and commenting on this thread, I found that an update is needed. I eventually sold the Summits as for my taste, they were limited in upper SPL output. I have gone through a number of speakers since, always searching for the extra SPL when needed to go with a large portion of the magic of the Summits that many others on this thread have ably described. It has been both an enlightening and frustrating experience. Dale's speakers have a "rightness" that is incredibly difficult to describe that is immediately obvious when you hear it.

To cut to the chase, I am back in the Dale Pitcher family of speakers. I came across a too good to pass up deal locally for a pair of Essence Topaz 6 speakers. These are a direct offshoot of the Essence Amethyst 10a. Most all of the principles that Dale uses to this day are present in this speaker. They are a 4 way, transmission line loaded for all drivers, first order crossover speaker utilizing individual enclosures that are individually mechanically isolated and adjustable for time alignment. They also have wave launch charts to fine tune the time alignment for distance from the speaker and ear height from the floor. It has been quite some time since I have listened to the Summit, so I couldn't say which does what better. One thing is for certain when you take a close look at all of Dale's designs. Each and every factor is carefully thought out and then tackled in a way that no one else does IME. The end results speak for themselves. The sonic resemblance between the Topaz 6 and the Summit from my recollection is quite stunning. I am not finished with tweaking position, etc., but the results to this point are more than even I hoped when I went to audition/purchase these. Considering that these are nearly 20 years old I would have to say that Dale Pitcher was way out in front of the curve.
Will have to agree with the statement that "Dale Pitcher Rocks" posted by Bob Heinatz on 10/19/14. I just finished another late evening music listening session (last disc, Crosby, Stills and Nash, so sweet) and am now heading off to a peaceful slumber. Criminy! These speakers are so, so, SO, freaking awesome! Yeah, it's sweet being (almost, anyway) "off the grid." Night, fellow 'philes. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Bob, what amps did you end up with again? That is the key. Notice that the hoover is completely off the grid. That is the grand paradox of SOTA audio equipment. It delivers you from the hobby! Only the music remains....
10-20-14: Bobheinatz
Certainly no plans to sell these. I have arrived to
the point where I simply listen to music and not worry about anything else. What a concept.

Ha! Sounds heretical right. Marvelous....
Certainly no plans to sell these. I have arrived to
the point where I simply listen to music and not worry about anything else. What a concept.
That's great Bob. I know you came close to selling them a few times until you found the right amp. That is one key with that speaker. Dale is a pearl of great price so to speak in audio. There is a beauty and naturalness to his stuff that I partially attribute to true time and phase alignment and mechanical grounding to create that spooky, black frame for the music. Many of his customers become long termers like Mdhoover and myself. Enjoy...
Still enjoying the Gammas as much as I posted a year ago. Great speaker that most of the audio community is totally unaware of. Dale Pitcher rocks.
Cdc,

That's a loaded question. I listened to one of the above brands at the 2007 RMAF, quite briefly. They sounded quite good. The room was full of fascinated audiophiles. The sound staging was very precise and the detail was superb. However, they simply lacked the high end smoothness of the Summits (TO MY EARS ONLY AND OTHERS MAY VIOLENTLY DISAGREE AND THAT'S OK) and overall I strongly preferred the Summits. (The year being 2007 shows how UNINTERESTED I remain in replacing the Summits--maybe Denalis someday but probably not....)

The speakers that rivaled the Summits are the Kharma's that I heard at the 2007 RMAF. The ~30K Kharmas were probably as good, maybe better to some ears, perhaps slightly inferior to other ears. The ~80K Kharmas are almost certainly better than the Summits, but they were being driven by solid state MBL amplifiers that were ever so slightly lacking in smoothness, so that assessment is partly based on another audiophile's opinion (which tends to correspond to mine EXTREMELY well).

The Intuitive Design Denalis are unequivocally better than the Summits, and that's based on having listened for ~3 hours in someone's home on a wonderful afternoon in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

I haven't listened to the Ohms, Rockports or Raidhos.

(As an aside, another speaker that deserves to be mentioned among "special" bang-for-the-buck offerings is the Induction Dynamics 2 way monitor for ~3000 dollars, if it's even still being made. Probably better overall than the Totem Tabu at the same price point, and that's saying something (AGAIN THIS IS TO MY EARS ONLY). About the only other Audiogon member I've seen mention those is Csmgolf. In my opinion, anyone in the market for a spectacular bookshelf monitor in the 3K price range should at least give those a listen--if they're sill being made, of course.)
Bill, have you done any speaker comparisons lately? I'd be curious as to how the Summits would compare to Ohms, YG Acoustics, Rockport, or Raidho? I'd think they would sound closest to the Rockports.
Glaucon,

Thanks for the detailed response. (You--or any other Audiogon member--can certainly call me Bill, by the way.) It's enviable that you have an Essence amp AND preamp! So, here are some more bothersome questions:

1) Are you running a subwoofer/sub-bass unit with the Summits?

2) Any chance you'll post a virtual system {I'm too embarrassed by "Gladys" (the huge "entertainment" center) to post a virtual system, at least yet; plus this review can function as an approximate surrogate for such a posting....} any time soon?

3) Failing that, and not having researched your posts very well, what are you using for a front end?

Thanks in advance.

p.s. I agree that there's a "grain" of truth to the stated inconvenience of scooping out sand for A/B comparisons, and sure as hell wouldn't do it either.


Dr Hoover-

I filled the Path stands half full of dessicated Silica sand, and it certainly improved the sound. I then went ahead and filled it some more to a total of 2/3. Seemed to get better and certainly was not worse, so I decided to leave it like that (it would have been a pain to scoop out the sand again, to try either more or less sand).

Just to bring people up to date with my Gamma Summit tweaks: I have Dale Pitcher's top Intuitive Mosaic speaker cable (bought from Agear, BTW), and found that using the Shunyata Dark Field cable risers made an immediately noticeable improvement. I'm very happy to have spend the $225 for 12. (I had the speaker cable on open plastic CD replacement cases before the Shunyata.)

Also, I currently have the Gamma Summits coupled to the Path stands with Stillpoints Ultra SS screwed into the bottom of the speakers. One major improvement: use the flat-centered matching stainless steel hard-hats (not the cupped ones). In fact, I'm about to try removing those hard hats and having the Ultra SS couple directly to the Path stands. Finally, since I now have 6 of the Stillpoins Ultra 5, 3 on the Essence Preamp and 3 on the Essence Amp, I'm going to try switching them to the speakers and the Ultra SS to the electronics.

I'll report back on changes in sound after each stage.

Happy listening!
Glaucon,

I found your post the other day about the tweak with the Sheffield CD. Your ownership of Gamma Summits intrigued me, then I followed you back to this thread (I'm not stalking you, I SWEAR). This leads, rather circuitously, to a question:

Did you ever determine the optimal level of sand for your Path Stands? (i.e., Half versus 2/3 full)
Andrew,

Emotive Audio. Go to their website and click on their custom products. The first picture of the mono amps looks very similar to my amps. My amps can use EL34's, 6550's, kt88's and kt120's. My are about1 year old, & looks brand new. $24k new price.
Wow, Bob! I thought you'd ditched them. I must say it's no surprise whatsoever that you're as pleased as you are with the outcome of having kept the Gammas. Your post highlights the fact that, although not hugely difficult to drive, the Summits DO LIKE POWER AND CURRENT.

Andrew: I stand by my recommendation/insistence that you purge your listening room of the Gammas due to stability issues. Yes, they're utterly phenomenal beyond all possible belief. No, it's not a "child-proof" design. Although your child probably wouldn't have been hurt by the monitor falling off its base, "probably" isn't good enough, at least in my opinion. In other words, it's a no-brainer, and, of course, I'm good at those....LOL.
Less expensive than Gammas new. There is a range of options and the price range is 5-12k. It is 12k with the Esotar tweeter, etc.
Andrew,

Please update us when you get your new speakers from Dale. Are they more expensive than the Gammas?