To Fuse or Not to Fuse... That is the question!

atdavid, I am not the one who said what you’re accusing me of saying. It was jea48. You should probably eat more fish. If you can’t keep up with the discussion you should drop out. You don’t listen. God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason.

atdavid
And just because you repeat the wrong things over and over that you don’t seem to understand does not make them right either. Saying there is current and ignoring current everywhere in the cable, just like ignoring that the e-field and b-fields change direction, and that they lead to the energy vector and spouting blindly "but but but the energy vector is always towards the load", again, does not make anything you are trying to claim correct. It is not.

>>>>>Nope I never said that, you’re putting words in my mouth again. What I actually said here at some point is that energy is not (rpt not) a vector, it’s a scalar. It has no direction. Just like Bob Dylan has no direction of home. Better luck next time. I promise I’ll let you win one sometime. Maybe you should try keeping a log. That way you recall better who said what. I hate to judge before all the facts are in but you have all the signs of the very thing the article you posted described - The Backfire Effect. Hel-loo!

Uh, but for audio cables there IS current. So your argument is irrelevant. We know there are such things as E and H fields from Heaviside and Poynting. And probably Maxwell, too. Nobody is denying they exist. Remember, just because they’re truisms doesn’t mean they support your position.

It’s push me, pull me 🔛 plain and simple. The current is alternating on the + and - wires. When the current travels one way on one wire current travels the opposite way on the other wire. You can’t make it any simpler than that. When you switch the + and - wires the speakers operate out of polarity. I agree electrons are a red herring. So are the E and B fields. They are a function of the current. Current is the moving charge.

Pop quiz! The inmates in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest are divided into Chronics and Acutes. Some Chronics are patients who arrived at the hospital as Acutes but were mentally crippled by excessive shock treatment or brain surgery, common practices in the hospital. Nurse Ratched encourages the Acutes to spy on one another.

The Acutes are made up of patients who are seen to be "curable." As a group they hang out together during the day and often play cards. It is this group, led by McMurphy, that challenges Nurse Ratched’s authority.

OK, here’s the quiz. Which one’s George? Is he an Acute, a Chronic or Nurse Ratched?

Part 2 - What ARE they putting in the water down there? 🦘🦘🦘

What about door no. 3? The Ultimate Beeswax 🐝fuse is better than the Orange. 🍊 Hel-loo! Sting ya, baby!

Me, neither. I have noticed brain rot, though. 🧠 It’s funny. When I was a little boy and told people I was gonna be a comedian, everyone laughed at me. Well, noone’s laughing now!

In every confrontation of good vs evil there has to be a winner. Fortunately, this time it was the good. The miscreant has been sent in his way. Rejoice in the victory, gentle readers. For all the losers out there, get over it. Dust yourself off, get back on your horsey, and ride! 🤡

Kudos for being able to write an almost complete sentence, glubbers.

Take a picture. It lasts longer. 

Maybe so. And you had a Hoagie because it reminded you of your days at Subway. I didn’t mean to interrupt the pinhead convention.

I don't remember it that way. but I don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.

Uh, thanks for clearing that up.

I have a product I call the Re-animator. It practically does the same thing and is a lot cheaper. And, no, I’m not promoting my products.

But what if I don’t WANT a placebo?

Didn’t you mean The Deported? That’s gold, Jerry, gold! 😀

But if I annoyed you, glubby, doesn’t that automatically make me a winner? Yes, it does! 

School, as a kid, my mother would say, “You should enjoy it. One day you’ll have to work for a living.” No, I won’t, ma. I’m going to be a comedian. 🤡

ieales
If roberttcan is a problem, what is Mr Kait?

>>>>Uh, the winner? Do I win a prize? 🤗

nb_dude
All I know is after blowing a SR Blue 5A fuse in my 5A amp rated amp (ARC VSI75), I blew two more, 6.3 amp blue fuses after about the same 210 hours of usage....I like what it did but....no more...put a new stock fuse in and it seemed alot better then the 2 year old stock fuse.....

>>>>>Undoubtedly it’s because you inserted the new stock fuse in the correct direction, accidentally, whereas the 2 year old stock fuse was in the wrong direction, accidentally. What are the odds? And it’s not even broken in yet. 😬

Actually, Steve Lacy breezed through the 400 degree experiment with ease. None the worse for wear from what I recall. Well, except for the twitching. Cleared up his asthma, though. That was around 1968, the experiment probably resulted from the fatal Apollo 1 fire that killed three astronauts. That was in 1967. But I’m just guessing,

The more I read about fuses and the distortion and noise they bring the happier I am I don’t use them any more. I thank my lucky stars ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ Color me a happy camper. 🤗

Don’t be catty, jitter. 😺

I worked next to the Air Force office of UFO research, Operation BlueBook 👽 and down the street from Air Force Office of Medical Research where my friend Steve Lacy was in the heat chamber. This was about the time when there was intense research into temperature effects for astronauts, and how many g’s humans can withstand, that sort of thing. Remember Col Stapp?😬 When I worked in the pink building with no windows I was involved in, well, I probably shouldn’t say. But it wasn’t Mary Kay cosmetics. 💋

Speaking of thermal chambers, a friend of mine who worked at Wright Patt AFB in Dayton, Ohio volunteered to see how long he could make it in a thermal chamber at 400 deg. F. He was in street clothes in the chamber for 25 minutes, no big deal. I worked at W-P in a pink building with no windows.

Frank please don’t use the words science or scientific as some people might get very upset. School, as a kid, my mother would say, “You should enjoy it. One day you’ll have to work for a living.” No, I won’t, ma. I’m going to me a comedian. 🤡

I will have him eating out of my hand, glubby. Or talking to my hand. We’ll have to see. 👀

You should probably take a gander at the SR Black fuse and Cerious Cables Graphene Cables. Not to mention PERFECT PATH GRAPHENE contact enhancer. I thought Frank would be all over this one. Wait till ya get a load of the Audio Magic Beeswax fuse. I can hardly wait. 🤗

One of us doesn’t understand and it’s not me. Guess who that leaves? 😳 Uh, oh, You suddenly seem very familiar. But maybe I’m getting my know-it-all pseudo skeptics mixed up.

OMG! A walking Wikipedia! 🚶🏻‍♂️ It should probably be mentioned at this point that Graphene is not used inside the fuse to prevent any unnecessary confusion. But don’t let that stop you. 

The use of Graphene where in fuses? This dog has been been to death already. Be careful what you wish for.

Not according Wikipedia. Do you know something Wikipedia doesn’t? 😳 HiFi Tuning, for one example, employs a 99% silver alloy 1% gold tip to tip, including end caps. Don’t forget the end caps! 🤗 Isoclean uses copper alloy wire and gold plated end caps.

Wiki - The fuse element is made of zinc, copper, silver, aluminum, or alloys to provide stable and predictable characteristics. The fuse ideally would carry its rated current indefinitely, and melt quickly on a small excess.

Observation, I.e., empirical evidence, is equal to measurements as part of the scientific method. So are curiosity and spirit of investigation. Hey, what’d ya know, there’s that word science again! My bad! I did not invent reality nor do I care very much if my Logic fails to convince anyone. Science has become a little bit flabby and stodgy and slow. I prefer to go my own way. Things get done faster that way. I probably broke three laws of physics this week and the week ain’t even over yet. I’m not trying to set the world on fire, just start a flame in a few hearts 🥰 But as Bob Dylan says at the end of all his records, good luck everybody! 🤗

“WOW WOW WOW” WHAT!

Too many cooks spoil the broth.

An an ordinary man has no means of deliverance.

Whatever are they putting in the water down there, Georgie Porgy? Are you drinking out of the dunny? 

On the speaker there are two separate wires coming from the amplifier. One we call + the other -. The two wires carry the electrical signal to operate the speaker. Since the speaker cables are part of an AC circuit when the electrical signal travels toward the speaker on the + wire it travels in the opposite direction on the - wire. It is an alternating current and voltage circuit. The electrical signal alternates direction according to the instantaneous frequency of the “audio waveform.” The speaker only responds to the electrical signal at any instant in time whether it’s the + or - wire. So for that that instant of time you can pretend the other wire is not even attached to the speaker. There is no current, voltage or energy on that other wire. So, it’s only the direction toward the speaker that is important and the only direction we hear. One wire pushed the diaphragm out, the other pulls it back in. That’s why the wires in the speaker cables should be constructed so the best-sounding direction is honored. Then the cables are marked with arrows 🔚 so there’s no confusion. It’s not really rocket science. 🚀

Help for skeptics who’ve hit a brick wall has arrived. 🤗 I only want to help you out. (Excerpts from Zen and the Art of Debunkery)

• Put on the right face. Cultivate a condescending air certifying that your personal opinions are backed by the full faith and credit of God. Adopting a disdainful, upper-class manner is optional but highly recommended.

• Employ vague, subjective, dismissive terms such as "ridiculous," "trivial," "crackpot," or "bunk," in a manner that purports to carry the full force of scientific authority.

• Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will send the message that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it -- and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.

• By every indirect means at your disposal imply that science is powerless to police itself against fraud and misperception, and that only self-appointed vigilantism can save it from itself.

• Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but as a pre-emptive holy war against invading hordes of quackery-spouting infidels. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may fudge, stretch or violate the scientific method, or even omit it entirely, in the name of defending it.

How can you prove I’m wrong when your evidence is wrong? Besides it’s only evidence. My evidence is only evidence, too. Even if your evidence was correct, which it isn’t, it’s still only evidence. You need to study up on the difference between evidence and proof a little bit. The best you can hope for is to sway some newbie’s opinion. Which most likely you didn’t if he was paying attention. In the end it’s only a little game since every audiophile and his brother knows that fuses are directional. And the advanced audiophiles know all wire is directional. I did not invent reality. Good luck in your quest to prove reality wrong. To summarize, your debating technique of misquoting me, misinterpreting me and presenting incorrect evidence of your own was ineffective. 

You’re not following. Talk to the hand 🤚 

Uh, those aren’t even close to my words, Mr. Wiki. Current is not energy. They don’t even have the same units. Hel-loo! Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? You realize that’s an illogical argument, don’t you?

The number of 100,000 fancy fuses is a composite across the top three fuse companies. I prefer not to divulge my sources. You need to work on your batting average. 

- your humble narrator and consummate Audio Insider

roberttcan182 posts10-25-2019 6:44pmYou are confused because GK keeps parroting that the energy is only conveyed from source to load, hence the fact it is AC makes no difference as the energy is unidirectional (even though current is bidirectional)l, and uses this as a justification for fuse directionality.


>>>>There you go again putting words in my mouth, Mr. Marty Pants 👖. I never said any such thing. Maybe you should try keeping a log. In fact what I said somewhere along the line is that energy is a scalar quantity, which means it has no direction. Follow?

100,000 fancy fuses sold to date so it looks like it’s you against the world Mr. Smarty Pants 👖and looking into my crystal ball I you can probably add at least another 50,000 for the new 🍊 fuse. Snooze, you lose. 😴 By the way you didn’t interpret the data correctly. Your humble narrator did, though. 🤗 Be that as it may, as I said there really isn’t any debate any more. But you’re welcome to carry on.🕺🏻 You aren’t the only stubborn mossback in town. 

I had a feeling you would fall into my ant lion trap. 🐜 🐜 The HiFi Tuning data sheets have been discussed ad nauseam here, even since I posted them here eons ago. It’s been so long ago I don’t even remember. Still, it’s a pleasure getting a new man on board. I am very fond of good strong reactions so, it’s a win win. 🤗 By the way, in case you missed it even HiFi Tuning admits in the text portion of the data sheets that the small differences in measured voltage drop (resistance) do not (rpt not) explain the relatively large differences heard in listening tests. When’s the last time you had your ears candled? This might come as a shock to you, there is no debate about wire directionality, we’ve known about it for 25 years. Some high end Unshielded cables have been marked for directionality like forever. At least 20 years. It’s like cryo. Most high end cable manufacturers routine employ cryo. Some electronics manufacturers like Meitner have been using cryo for years and years. How time flies!

It can sometimes be a little bizarre to see people try to impress others here by using “big words” like function, verifiable and Thermotron chamber. But thanks for providing an excellent example of a logical fallacy.

moopman, meet your intellectual twin! His name is Mr. Eels. 

An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - Pee Wee Herman

Somebody’s running out of ammo. Two days and he’s already burned out. 

George, I’m serious, but are you on your meds now or off your meds? 🤪 You are aware Machina Dynamica is no. 1 here, right? Sorry to break it to you. 😢

Getting back to reality for just a moment, aftermarket fuses are not $200-$500. Cut me some slack, Jack. One or two are $200 + The new Orange fuse is $150, almost all the rest are around $20-$50. Check it out, Bubba! If you want to be an audiophile on the cheap just flip your Littelfuse around.