Wow! I don't know how I missed this thread. Sean, FWIW, I think your have covered the matter well. What I don't understand is, instead of a money back guarantee, why don't they send these devises out to the reviewers/labs for some independent (hopefully) reviews to see if professionals can identify the extra benefits they allegedly possess? If they are found to be worth while they will move their product - if not, oh well. Somehow I doubt that this will happen - probably too expensive and unreliable. But other serious manufacturers do that, wonder what the difference may be. Or have I just missed the reviews? |
Theaudiotweak, In all candor, this claim about the use of your product resulting in an increase in gain (and especially gain at select frequencies)is what really causes me to question the validity of the product - this is to me the proverbial red flag flag. I don't think that resonance control or amplifying devices are black art - if they occur there is a science that can validate it and explain why. Lets hear from the engineers - they should be able to tell us what about this product can actually cause the amplication of gain that you say you measured. Or perhaps your measuring devise was just inaccurate? "til then I'll pass on your suggestion to try one of these devices. |
Sean, Can you explain to the village idiot (me) how reducing the strength of vibrations by allowing them to "drain" to ground can cause an increase of gain such as experience by Tom. A 50% increase in gain from the previous setting is not insubstantial - and, I worry, might in fact serve only to color an otherwise neutrally balanced system. I previously asked Tom but he blew me off, not unexpectedly I might say. Thanks...... |
Interesting post by Roy of GMA on the effectiveness of cones in dealing with resonances in the thread "Green Mountain Europa hupe" - sez that cones don't damp or transmit many vibrations.........This from a well educated designer involved in making speakers.
Sean & Tom, while I would agree with you that reducing the level of resonances or vibrations could make a system "sound" better, and I would agree that causing the resonance of any particular component to increase due to a failure to control the resonance, might increase its apparent amplitude, it strikes me that if you were to successfully eliminate all resonances and vibrations, externally or internally, you would have optimized the equipment's ability to deliver its maximum undistorted signal but you would not/could not have increased its actual gain. With all due respect to you Sean, neither you not Tom have actually explained (to my understanding) the mechanics (electrically speaking) of the phenomena of increased gain due to elimination of distortions caused by vibrations or resonances.
But I have enjoyed reading this very interesting thread (as well as a few others) on the issues involved in these controversial matters. Sean, thanks for your good faith contributions. |
Sean, IMHO you are not wrong. I've a good friend who is an astro physicist (he is a dept head at an major University and is a consultant for NASA). Even though he is not involved in designing devices used for controlling resonances in electronic components, just for the fun of it I ran this by him...he admits that he is baffled by the manufacturers claims. As you point out these claims can be proved by carefully controlled testing. If these products have merit the testing will support it, if not, all of these promotion materiels and testimonials are nothing but "gas light". We'll see. The ball is clearly in the manufacturer's court now. |
Warren, When someone brags about their stuff, even if they can't describe the things that make it great, or even if they have little frame of reference thats OK. They are not shills. However, when someone sends e-mails unsolicited to other forum members encouraging them to buy Star Sound Products, as you did to me very recently, they become something more than enthuiastic consumers. You can call them what ever you like, but I can live with the term shill. |
TWL, I hadn't intended to post on this thread again until I saw your "white paper".
As it stands I have read all of the posts in this thread, am somewhat technically inclined, and I still do not understand the design principals espoused by your employer or yourself.
I believe a maunufacturer and its representatives should bend over backward to explain its product in terms which either a layman or a technician can understand, something that can easily be done without fear of revealing something that isn't protected by trademark, copyright, or patent protection.
For some reason, which is unfathomable to me, you have elected to denegrate those who have questioned the current statements of yourself and your employer rather than (1) Publishing materiels that anticipates these questions and answers them before they are asked or (2) responds to the questions with specific answers explaining how your product specifically resolves the problems which typically cause the questions to arise. Personally, I'm a sucker for specificity, but I'm not suseptible to your present arguments for your product that say because the manufacturer says it sounds good and a lot of people who use it say it sounds good then it must be good and your questions are there for ignorance based or inappropriate.
It may be good, but then again if you put BS in a box with a pretty ribbon you will not only sell a bunch of boxes, but you will get testimonials as to its great flavor.
As for me, you no longer need to be concerned with my questions. The apparently corporate attitude conveyed in this post has killed any interest I might have had in your product. |
Scotty, I'm unfamiliar with your system. Can you tell me exactly what changes this product made in your system if any? What were you using before you put this in the system that you compared the Systrum stand to? Did it work as well? Thanks......... |
Well, just for the sake of prospective, someone just listed a pair of Sistrum stands for sale on the 'Gon. Guess they must not be everybody's cup-a-tea, but personally I think the guy is probably just deaf. :-) |
Actually, Flex, I think it is sort of amusing that the Sistrum folks are continuing to use this thread to advance their product. Anyone making fresh product inquiries will stumble upon it and have plenty of advance notice of the contrversies involed. It now reminds me of a scene in a car full of teenager's in a barn, in a Fellini film about growing up in America. That car was sure rocking about! Maybe those Systrum stands could have helped drain those vibrations. :-) But, in the final analysis, you are right. Incidentially, I think I have heard the birth pangs of a new Sistrum dealer, but time will tell. |
