Dear Perditty: It's clear that you are an advocate Walker audio items starting by his TT.
I wonder how much of that biased " expectations " hear helps to listen " things " that maybe exist or maybe not?
Maybe could be good for you to bring to your place a person with out to much knowledge level about audiophile systems and invite him for a half an hour to listen with the cristals inside the system set up, after that take out those cristals and ask him ( with the same LP tracks. ) if he detected a difference for the better or worst or no differences at all.
Many times when we are waiting/prepared to " hear " something then we heard it even that there is nothing.
Our brain is unexpected: please listen to a track that you know in deep with your eyes closed and with your eyes open, after that make the same but with lights on and with lights off and ask you if in all cases you listen exactly the same.
Anyway, at the end of the day the important subject is that you think that you hear improvements and this is what it matters to stay satisfied with and not what other can hear or not.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Perditty/friends: This is what posted Perditty:
+++++ " It's a crystal you put on either the tonearm or the cartridge that [I KID YOU NOT] transforms the sound! " +++++
transform the sound?. IMHO the main subject here could be not if that sound transformation like us or not but if that sound transformation is making honor to the recording proccess to what is really in the LP grooves.
Tha's it: if that sound transformation is right or wrong even if we like it ( this is not the main subject. )
Are we nearest to the recording or just changing to a different distortions level?
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Over the years I try several " snake oil " items and sometimes I swared the item put my sytem in the top of the sky only for a short time latter falls down when I learned that the " improvement " were only other kind of distortions that made it more harm than helps in any way to be nearer to the recording. Other items were terrible for say the least.
My latest exercise with that kind of audio items is this one that I bought like two months ago at 50% off price:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htm
I try in everyway and till today I can't hear any single difference with and with out it.
You can read there not only what's behind this item but customer opinions and even reviews of pro-reviewers where all of them hear or think that hear " marvelous " improvements, not me.
Of course that almost all those kind of items " efficiency " are system and " brain "/knowledge level dependent.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Perditty: Well you hear exactly what Walker stes in its site product information.
I'm not questioning what you think you hear but only asking if those improvements put us nearer to the recording or live event.You say: better and deeper bass definition. This is a serious and not easy improvement to achieve.
I think it can't go deeper, reading the Walker site he say that """ reduce static electrical noise at your cartridge and record while it is playing. """.
Reducing the static noise helps to have better definition: cleaning the overall grooves information the cartridge read it. That makes sense to me because the friction between the stylus/grooves develop that kind of static noise along the " room enviroment ". When we use the Discwasher static gun ( remember? ) to reduce static in the LP we can hear a difference.
Now, the subject here is that Walker does not explain yet : how it works to achive that static noise reduction and maybe this is why we could think that the tweak item is just another " snake oil ".
Other side is to know if the item function in the same way with any cartridge, I think that if there is a scientific foundation down there it must works with any cartridge. I don't know if is in that way and if not: why not?
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Perditty: /Lewm: I don't know wich is the weight of those cristals but for a significant change in the cartridge/tonearm resonance frequency we need over 5-6 grs., cartridge compliance has much influence on that.
Now, we have to speculate because Walker say almost nothing about.
Other side could be that attaching the cristal to the cartridge body or to the headshell can function as a some kind of " damper " changing the frequencies where the cartridge body vibrate/resonate or the headshell.
The only way to know if really function is first hand experience, there is no other way but 400.00 for make that test is not in my " book ". Maybe in the near future I could find the opportunity to hear it in a friend's system.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Geoffkait: Thank's to brought here your advise, maybe the clock ( during A/B ) was not enough far away. Of course that I will try " hard " again.
In my post I said that some kind of these tweacks could be system/brain dependent.
Makes any sense that to you? is it your product I own an item that always must works ( I mean always makes a difference. ) ?
Geoff, I would like to hear those differences if in true exist because that's why I bought it: your product has a lot of positive opinions from owners and reviewers so something must be happening down there ( I think'''' ).
Btw, my friend in USA ( where the clock was shipped. I live in México city. ) send me the item and I receive it along a bottle with a light green liquid that I don't now what is or even if you shipped with.
Please email me, be appreciated.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Benjie: Maybe a misunderstood by your part or a bad explanation from me because I'm not saying that the Walker cristals are a true snake oil because I have no first hand experiences to attest it and no I'm not against it but only trying to understand it.
Btw, the track you mentioned has not really deep bass, I think that the bass comes from a digital drum and in the track we can hear its " on porpose " precense. I think that what we hear there is more a low mid bass in the 335hz-45hz.
Now, I don't like those vibrations that you heard and hear with the cristals, I like more when you say: with out it there is no vibrations on windows. Please let me explain ( and of course that I can be wrong. ):
today my system has a very good bass management and thanks to two powered subwoofers goes really down but with one important characteristic: low low distortions down there and elsewhere the audio system performance. Years ago my windows vibrated and I was really proud because of that till I learned that those bass vibrations came from high bass distortions and not because bass music information.
Well, I just listened that J.Warnes track at 100 db SPL at my seat position with no single window vibration then I change the subs volume ( higher. ) and things gone more or less the same.
It's obvious that I can't say for sure but seems to me that if your windows vibrate with the cristals that's is not a good thing because could be only higher distortions and no true music improved information.
Perditty posted that he think bass goes deeper ( you listen the same. ) and my answer to him was that it can't go deeper because the stylus/cantilever pick up from the grooves depends only on the stylus/cantilever tracking abilities where cristals or anythinhg else can't help but in the other side if the cristals makes a clean up to the stylus/cantilever information then we can have a lower noise/distortions and clkearer and better music definition with wider dynamic range and music power and maybe this is what is happening but not deeper bass.
The other subject is if what we can hear through the cristals put us nearer to the recording nearer to a live music and I have no way to know it till I hear it.
I was unaware of these cristal tweak till now. I read it on TAS JV Walker TT review that in the latest version the TT comes with those cristals everywhere: headshell, underside the platter, the air bearing, the motor and in the motor controller too. I did not importance to that fact because seems to me was a Walker TT unique and not for any of us as now is in the market.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Perditty: As with the clock by Machina Dynamica I don't think that the cristal owners or reviewers were " deaf " and certainly ( with all repect ) no one of you are " crazy " and ceratinly listen what you say are listening.
I think that as with the MD clock I have to pull the triger with this cristals to attest or not if put me nearer to the recording/live music. We will see.
Anyway, thank's to brought here this Walker " snake oil " :)
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Btw, I was using in the wrong way the MD clock and with out the spray.
I will make my tests again in the right way and will share with all of you the results here.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Benjie: I'm only speculating. I agree that the bass can be " very clar " ( clean up ) but deeper?. Example stylus/cantilever pick up a 22 hz frequency please explain how do you think that the crystals can covert that 22 hz to 20hz to go deeper as you states? if that is happening then I don't want this kind of signal manipulation because I want the 22 hz frequency that is in the recording and not the " false " 20 hz one: got it?
Yes, I posted that I have to pull the trigger and experience it.
Amen!!
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
