No Lbelchev, the MMMicroOne is not a transmission line. We will update the website in the next few weeks or so. |
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Thanks everyone for your patience. I understand the frustration this may have caused for those of you who have ordered.
The good news is the MMMicroOnes are starting to ship this week. |
Hope I can shed some light on the stands. The optional stands are a very unique design. The MMMicroOne loudspeakers attach to the stands by bolts and employ a very effective vibration control method that was inspired by Wave Kinetics. |
With all due respect to Robsker & Calloway, if the MMMicroOne's were mediocre, great electronics would not make them sound great.
When we voiced the loudspeakers we used all types of amplifiers including an $800 Rotel and they always sounded special to us. We feel this is absolutely a reference level product regardless of the price. I am sure that there are people that will use $300 amps all the way up to mega expensive amplifiers with our loudspeakers.
I will also share with you that there were many people who came to me and said they that thought our MMMicroOne's sounded better than some $30k monitors that were at the show.
Also there were quite a few show reports that gave us "Best Sound at Show" with our MMMicroOnes. Price does not always reflect the quality of a product.
Jonathan Tinn
Evolution Acoustics |
Robsker: I am sorry to tell you that IMO, you are just wrong. I say that knowing that you have not yet heard them. I would put our $2500 MMMicroOne's with stands against any bookshelf loudspeaker regardless of price.
As a matter of fact, I would put them up against just about any loudspeaker regardless of price. I understand that the last octave might not be it's strength, but it is a true reference loudspeaker that I would gladly use in my main system.
You stated: "JTinn... If you really thought your speakers were so great (and again, they may be) and that they sound great when driven by lesser electronics (as you state in your post) then by all means audition your speakers at shows with 8K of electronics, not 80K. Give a realistic audition to potential buyers. Certainly you should not fear such an audition."
You can say the same thing to any loudspeaker manufacturer who brings their product to a show and you would be wrong in doing so. Magico showed a $25k - $35k mini monitor that they used very expensive amplification to drive. Do they fall under the same criteria as you suggest we follow?
To make things clear, if someone called me and had a small room and was not looking for the last word in terms of the very deepest bass and had $100,000 amplifiers, I would not hesitate in suggesting that they use our MMMicroOne system.
You also say: "Last salvo. I have not heard your speakers... but give me an 82K system... say with 50K speakers and 30K of electronics... I guarantee that the system will smoke the system with 2K speakers. That is, after all a very fair comparison --- same priced systems.
The point? It is crazy to push your speakers driven as they were at the show."
Such a generalization is what is crazy and has no credibility. I will take that bet anytime as long as you do not choose any equipment that I represent and it is a system you can use in a small room. You are ultimately focusing too much on the price.
BTW: The last few shows we used the following electronics:
darTZeel CTH-8550 Integrated amp/preamp/phonostage - 20,300
Playback Designs MPS-3 - 8500
That comes to $28800, not 80k. Still pretty expensive, but quite a bit less than the 80k you mention. |
Agisthos: How much should one spend on an amp and preamp for the MMMicroOne? Would 8k for an amplifier be unreasonble? How about 8k for a preamplifier? The darTZeel CTH-8550 is 20k but also includes a fantastic phonostage. Is it really that unreasonable to use that combo?
Also, I show the products I represent. I have responsibilities as an owner of Evolution Acoustics, Playback Designs, Wave Kinetics and importer of darTZeel to keep those products seen at trade shows. I believe Hervé Deletraz loves the MMMicroOne and has no problem with us using a $2500 loudspeaker / stand to show off his electronics. Why should anyone else?
Charles1dad: Thank you. I do question one thing:
You state: "I would assume at a cost factor 10x higher the Magico used more expensive parts."
I do not necessarily know this to be so. I could have priced our MMMicroOne at what I consider ridiculous margins, as I believe Magico and most other speaker manufacturers do. Magico has a huge advertising budget which I am sure is built into the retail price of their speakers, we do not. Why should you and others pay for their advertising?
Doc77: I understand why you say most of what you say and respect the fact that is your oponion. However, where you are totally off base is the statements you made as if they are facts I take serious issue.
You stated: " I doubt Jtinn would post pics of the backsides of those drivers, but talking with a speaker builder friend of mine at the show, he said it's just a $50 Air Motion Transformer tweeter and some approx $20 each anodized aluminum cone woofers.
My real problem is the liberties taken with published specs. They are NOT flat to 35hz as printed, sorry but not even close. I know what that sounds like, and I'd guess they're flat to maybe 55hz."
I will absolutely post pictures of the drivers and other parts used on our website in the near future. What will that actually tell you? Your speaker builder friend is an complete idiot if he thinks he knows what he is talking about regarding our drivers. We build them ourselves and I assure you the quality is incredibly high and the cost is not close to what he is telling you.
The biggest problem I have with your post is you saying that our published specs are a lie. That comment is very insulting and you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
You have nothing to lose by making statement like you have. As a manufacturer, we work incredibly hard at designing and building a product. I have a lot invested in my companies and taking pot shots at my products is quite an insult and that is just wrong. Again, we all have the right to our opinions, but some of the statements you made are allegations, not opinions. It is just wrong. |
Doc77: Fair enough. But when your friend makes completely wrong statements as he did, he might not be an idiot just one prone to idiotic statements :) As a side note, I know some people who have been in this business for much longer than 20 years that are complete idiots. Time has nothing to do with it.
Again, you are also completely wrong about the specs being exaggerated. We took no liberties, I believe it was you who did with your assertions.
As far as the drivers are concerned, our tweeter is based on air motion transformer principles. We have a proprietary motor structure and chamber system as well as other numerous differences that I cannot not go into.
Our midrange driver utilizes a ceramic cone with a magnesium aluminum inner skin. This gives us all the benefits of the drivers we use in our other series, without the fragility.
Next time you are at a show and visit our room, please introduce yourself. I would love to meet you and I will buy the first round. |
Robsker: Thanks for your understanding and your well wishes. Please let me know if you ever get to hear the MMMicros. I would love to know what you think.
Douglas: Thank you as well.
Charles1dad: I now find myself thanking everybody :) |
Douglas: That is absolutely correct. Our diminutive mid-woofer driver is actually built like a subwoofer. |
First let me say only the MICRO SERIES is and will be made overseas. All of our other models are manufactured in San Diego and always will be.
Sorry to say, but answering your first question is not something I care to share.
The drivers are manufactured by us and the only parts that are not are the diaphragm for our tweeter which is made by Mundorf, and our cone, which is made for us.
I hope you get a chance to hear it, I would love to hear what you think of it. |
Doc77: What is your agenda here? Earlier in this thread you made allegations about our drivers and such and are now taking pot shots at me. I am confused? What do you have to gain?
I tried to be civil when you made stupid allegations but it did not seem to make a difference. Why don't you just stay on the Vapor thread instead of "trolling" here where you obviously have no good intentions. It seems to be more "home" for you on the other thread.
Now to address your silly statement:
Din who is local to me had been waiting for over a year as well.
We started shipping two weeks ago and all who have ordered will receive their MMMicroOnes within the next few weeks.
If you would like to drive here, you can pick a pair as well. |
Glory: In all fairness to Aoliviero, he is absolutely right, it was my fault and I take full responsibility for the mistake.
You are correct that the shipping is not ridiculous for what it is and where it was going, but I inadvertently quoted him for door to airport when he absolutely asked for door to door. It was certainly not intentional but I had a miscommunication with the shipping company. His choice to proceed might have been different if he knew up front what the actual total was going to be.
I deserve everything he said. |
Agear: Absolutely not. He is, of course, incorrect and I am sure he already knows that. As I have previously stated, we manufacture them ourselves. These insinuations are ridiculous and incredibly desperate.
Milpai: It was actually about $350 more, not $900. |
Recroom: I answer each and every email I receive. Emailing is not a perfect communication method. At times, emails might not get through or might inadvertently go into spam. I have checked my spam folder and found nothing.
If you did not get a response, you could have certainly contacted me through A'gon or called me directly. If you would prefer me to call you, send me a message through Audiogon, with your number and when you would like me to call.
Best Regards,
Jonathan Tinn
Evolution Acoustics |
Jdec: Sorry I missed your post. I think you are being a bit tough on me. I really do not spend much time watching the forums... there are so many. I usually get on when someone calls me and tells me that there is something that needs my response. I would suggest for the future to call me if you need answers.
As of right now the price has not changed. When the time comes to "officially" announce a price increase, I will certainly post it in this thread since you are requesting that I do so. I hope that clarifies things.
Jonathan Tinn
Evolution Acoustics
PS. Thank you Glory and Mes. |
Hi Chip:
1. Try the 4 ohm taps.
2. I would still recommend using the spikes. It will clean up the bass and should tighten things up.
Hi Jdec: It was my pleasure. Feel free to call me anytime.
Aoliviero: Thank you for the support!
Best Regards,
Jonathan Tinn
Evolution Acoustics |
Ack: I am really surprised that you would actually be so closed minded. If you need that to be your truth, so be it, but it absolutely is not true, and you are flat out being lied to. I GUARANTY IT.
Who did you hear that from? A desperate Magico dealer with the initials D.W.?
There were others there, with no interest in my products, that heard the comparison for themselves and can attest to exactly what happened. Please contact me offline and I would be more than happy to share further information including people you can contact if you are serious about the truth.
BTW, it was not the MMOne, it was our $2500 MMMicroOne.
Everything I say in the ad is absolutely true. The customer certainly did not need to trade them in, and certainly is not an investor in my company. That is ridiculous. Evolution Acoustics is currently backordered 7 months on our full size loudspeakers and 1 1/2 months on our Micro Series. We certainly have no desire or need for "investors". That is laughable.
The customer owned Magico Q5's prior to the Magico Q7's. He listened side by side (Q7's vs. MMMicroOne) and proceeded to order the Evolution Acoustics MMSevens.
Are you going to THE Show Newport Beach? If this nonsense continues, I will bring the MMMicroOne loudspeakers along with the Magico Q7's and you and everyone else can listen for yourselves.
Jonathan Tinn
darTZeel
Evolution Acoustics
Playback Designs
Wave Kinetics |
Ack: I assure you I would not turn down money from anyone for these speakers. It is A LOT of money. You are indeed being lied to.
If these "potential" buyers are serious, have them call you and conference me in. We can finalize this for once and for all and you can be the witness.
Do you really think I would turn down $125,000.00 or anything close to that?
Mariv26: Have you listened to the MMMicroOnes fully broken in, in your main system, or just in the office? Call me anytime and we can discuss how to get the best out of them. |
