clearaudio turntables vs vpi


I am getting to the point where it is time to upgrade. I currently have a VPI scout. Should I stay with VPI or move on to others such as clearaudio. The performance and ovation have garnered my interest. I have had some people tell me that they are very synergistic with Benz micro. I have a ref s and glider cartridges. I have had some tell me that I still have not really "heard"my catridges as of yet. Looking for your thoughts on a final table between 3000 and 7000 as this what I can afford
tzh21y
11-02-15: Tzh21y

I listened to the VPI prime the other day. Not sure what was wrong but we had Cowboy Junkies Trinity Sessions on and their was all kinds of woofer rumble. Woofer pumping uncontrollably, sounded like Star Wars in surround was on in an adjacent room.

Any thoughts on what could cause this?

Tzh21y
that album was recorded in a Toronto Church with one microphone. There is a huge amount of ambient info captured.
Much of this info is below 20 hz. if not using a rumble filter, this will excite the woofer.
This is one reason if everything else is ok.
Are you using a rumble filter on your system ?

if you go to a speaker repair shop where they recone drivers and do repairs.
Ask the guy to hook up a woofer to a signal generator. The woofer will start shaking violently below 20 hz.
Hiendmuse, what else did you hear at Harry's? I'll be going up to see him this Friday.
Stringreen, I have been toying with the idea of replacing my SSM with rim drive, Classic platter, and 3D tonearm too. The Avenger is a drop dead gorgeous table. The only advantages to the Avenger I see are that a 12 inch tone arm can be used, and you can install up to 3 tonearms. The downsides to me were that I would have to give up the double motor rim drive, which I really like, the Classic platter with the special oil-pumping bearing Harry had custom made for me, which has improved performance, and that the tonearms do not have plinth area below to better protect the arm and cartridge from possible damage by a careless movement with my hand or arm. I've also done a few more tweaks to my table over the years which has further improved its performance.

I spoke to someone at the meeting I know who very recently traded in his SSM with rim drive and HW TNT platter for an Avenger with magnetic drive. He says he really likes it, but I personally didn't hear anything other than a slightly smoother sound and slightly better bass drive.

I really didn't notice an appreciable difference or improvement with the Avenger versus what I now have. Both are Class A tables. The only advantage I see with the Avenger is that if you want an additional arm or two, maybe one with a dedicated mono cartridge, that it's more convenient than having to swap tone arms.

I found listening to the Avenger, while excellent and beautiful to look at, made me appreciate the performance and sound of my upgraded and tweaked SSM even more. I think the somewhat understated styling of the SSM makes it very attractive in a more utilitarian way. I'm still toying with the idea of going to an Avenger, but have less of an urge than before hearing it. If I were to get it, it would be with the magnetic drive, as the version without it I really didn't hear much of any improvement.

Hope this helps.
Tony, I heard the Prime table as well. Excellent table, tremendous performance and features (VTA tower, Classic platter, 3D tone arm), great sound, amazing value for the money.
It actually did not sound bad except for the Cowboy Junkies. The speed stability was pretty decent without SDS.