Point of higher priced streamer?

You just got a reply from John Swenson in Audiophile Style. The designer himself. I suggest you read that reply in full. Meaning not just the first paragraph 

What a douche!

LOL!!! This is very funny. I totally missed this part. Hilarious! Especially if “backed” by the world famous & renowned ASR. How do you know? Or you just KNOW?

if connected via optical to a "decent" high performing DAC (e.g. Topping D50), it will outperform many higher-priced streamers 

Then don't buy a "higher priced streamer". Simple. What are you trying to accomplish here? To me, it is more than clear that you have made up your mind on this already.

Good luck! Stay with ASR. You will save a boatload of money, and your system will sound like crap, but you will never know 

Yeah... bottom feeders like our friend here, who has zero confidence on his ears, and gets a hard on every time he stares at a graph other people post online 🙄

LOL!! Again, no answer. Just stupid attacks that either a child, or a mentally sick person, would do. You try to find some happiness in your miserable life. Over 500 posts in less than two months you joined with this fake account. Over 10,000 posts is one year once you add the other banned usernames. And THAT my friend is a miserable life.

The OP is long gone. He said he joined ASR for advice. In fact, I am pretty sure he did not intend to gather any advice here. More like throwing a grenade and enabling various snake oil screechers, including the biggest of them all, the guy who keeps coming back over and over with different usernames, after being banned at least five times.

sangbro OP13 posts12-21-2020 10:11amWhy do you think I’ve not tried that?

I compare some but don’t hear the noticeable difference.

Then why worry? You tried it for yourself, did not hear any difference, case closed, no "higher priced streamer" for you. Simple. Again.

Although, from your post nine days ago here (https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/basic-dac-streamer-questions)

First of all, please be generous about old fool’s first step to the digital source.

I’m planning to switch to the digital source, and I’m looking for a product like Matrix Element X.
(It’s like Lumin X1 - DAC / STREAMER / Have its own Pre-Amp)

Do you actually have a DAC? How can you possibly know what is all there is to know on "high priced streamers" in nine short days?

In an audio system, everything matters. Obviously, some stuff matters more some less. It's up to us to determine where we spend our money. Hopefully by trying for ourselves, rather that posting something online to simply confirm our biases. Confirmation bias works both ways

Oh by the way, that Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC you mentioned, has a streamer built in. A network bridge. Hook up Ethernet to it, and you are set! No need for “high priced streamer”. And when you say “the US distributor “ of Mola Mola, you are talking about Bill Parrish? I know the guy. What exactly were you talking about “using your selection of cheaper stuff in audio shows”? I have been in at least two of his Demos, and I know what he is using 

Hey @sangbro, you provided a totally different prospective now, thanks for sharing. It seems like you are starting from scratch, but with a sizable budget for starters. I’d say figure out the big items first. Like speakers, amp, DAC. Get a modest streamer just to get you started, like Node 2i, or a microRendu and such, then upgrade down the road if you still have the desire and satisfaction.

Obviously nobody can tell apples from oranges if eaten in a blind test controlled environment 🙄

These are fine people on both sides 😂🤪

🙄🙄. And the I.D. 10T error strikes again. No one is allowed to post any impressions or explanation on anything, unless backed by “a controlled blind test”. Oh please, give it a break

Hi @ironlun, thanks for chiming in around here. 
On Shunyata, you make it sound like they only make $6,000 power cords. Which is far from reality. In fact, their current lineup, Venom NR v12 is an excellent power cord, at only $398. Obviously less, if you know the right people. Give it try, you will see (hear) for yourself.

There is no point to argue this in the Internets. Two groups firmly entrenched in their bunkers:

1) People who only try cheap stuff, maybe because the rest of their system is just a cheap and crap: there is no difference in streamers. They don’t even need to try. They just know 

2) People who are open minded enough to venture and try different streamers: there is a difference, and an easy one to discern.

One thing I can tell you for sure: it’s extremely hard to convince the first group. They also tend to have the same opinion on everything, DACs, power, cables, you name it. Also, I am OK with whatever pleases them. I just don’t understand their inner urge to go online non-stop and proclaim their “knowledge” with no experience and experimentation whatsoever. I guess this phenomenon is a hobby too 🙄

I believe “the” Audio2Design (previously posting under AtDavid , Dannad, and several other fake usernames) has met his match in Audiogon forums 🤭

IronLung: I understand your post on Shunyata, and I accept it. Please note that Shunyata never had any $6,000 power cords before, until a few months ago, when Omega was launched (and why not). Venom is “entry-level” alright, with “NR” being really envelope pushing IMO, but above it, there are several affordable tiers, such as Delta, Alpha, Sigma. Way before you get to your $6,000 stuff Omega.

I totally agree with you that people should take a listen to a few different brands first before making a conclusion for their application.

Hey @three easy payments, good post. Although I am afraid you are talking to the wall

Dave Lalin. How are you doing buddy? Glad to see you posting again. It sounds like you beat Covid-19 and the stroke caused by it. 

Me too. I hear difference in some stuff, and nothing on some other stuff. I just move on, and decide that’s just not for me. But I am totally aware of the possibility others may hear differences in stuff I don’t. It’s pretty simple, no need to get worked up on that.

Case in point, tried a Mutec Ref10 SE-120 to clock my DAC. In two-three weeks I had it, I struggled big time to hear any difference at all, OK maybe some small stuff, I was not even sure it was for good or bad. So I returned it. Meanwhile, several people I know, including two friends with the same as DAC as me, swear by it. Go figure! It is what it is, probably my ears are not sensitive enough to such changes. So I move on, but, I don’t go and call my friends, and people who own it, suckers, or stupid. 

Hey @romanesq : happy listening to you too! Enjoy your music. That’s all that matters. Merry Christmas 

Hey @pc...numbers ... numbers. You literally posted right below a huge explanation of everything. May I humbly suggest you read it. Enjoy your Rotel “DAC”. I have a sweet spot on Rotel. It was my first decent system back in 2003-2004 with RB-1080/ RC-1070 / RCD-1072 combo. We have something in common presently too. My speakers are B&W 803 D3. Merry Christmas 

While I appreciate the enthusiastic and positive tone of your post @romanesq you are comparing an Amazon fire stick with a noisy 12 years old general purpose  computer for streaming audio. Not exactly earth shattering in streaming audio in a (hopefully) high end audio system comprised (only from what I can tell) cheapest Schiit DAC. No schiit there is no difference. But as you say, happy listening!

Oh definitely a wall. It was discussed many moons ago how and why a streamer can improve playback. And as I said, any discussion is theory, the proof in the pudding is experience and experimenting. As in good old listening.

And the others told you already: it is NOT about “the packets”. But again, the Wall issue, so there is that.

Unfortunately I don’t see your equipment under the Systems here in Audiogon. What is your DAC?

Well said. Spot on! Good things happen to those who try.

I'd just encourage people who really want to enjoy their music at a higher level to keep an open mind with respect to some of this stuff and realize that yea, better hardware and software can provide better results in the right circumstances.

If something is in the Internets, it must be true 🙄

Yeah... our friend audio2design has big ego-boner. But we already knew that since he was posting under those now banned handles, AtDavid, Dannad, Roberttdid, and more

You never answer any questions, do you? Like again, who are you? We hear about your ego-boner credentials, but again people with such “credentials” wouldn’t normally post non-stop in Audiogon, even after being banned at least four times I know of. Over and over with yet again new usernames. How many email addresses did you have to create for that purpose?

And you never said what you actually own. I asked you that many times, never answered. Not even a word, not even which speakers. Now... prove it that you are not those people, and list your equipment.

You seem to always only tell people NOT to own, never seem to “teach” what to actually own. 

Audio2Design

John Darko wise? ..... Okay. Embarrassing? Yes. Technically illiterate? Yes. Prone to delusion? Probably. Makes things up? Definitely._———

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Wow. Ego-boner meter is off charts.

Please point me to your own site, or blog. I will be glad to visit. Although I am pretty sure it does not exist, other than from the bots at the Troll Factory in St.Petersburg 

Hey AtDavid, or whatever you call yourself now, Audio2Design: As I said, your Ego-Boner meter is off the charts.

Darko is a real person, with real name, and face, for all to see. Question is: who are you? Other than a pathetic lonely low life import from troll factory, constantly posting under numerous fake usernames in Audiogon, I fail to see your credentials. I might as well proclaim I am the Pope here. It wouldn’t be better than who you say you are. Isn’t it time for the cat to come out?

Dissonance? LOL!! Explain one thing, one single thing: why do you have to come back here in Audiogon over and over with different usernames? 

LOL @arafiq 

One thing is guaranteed: he WILL be resurrected again if banned. And again, and again...

No matter what, it will be easy to spot when he does.

Obviously @cleeds --- SG stands for "Sound Guality"

No. You put the incoming internet feed on A side. The streamer on B side, everything else on A side remaining three ports. You will be OK.

Chromecast Audio is (was) a very good, convenient device for modest systems. It does the job well in freeing up your laptop for streaming functions. That’s where it ends.

That’s not what he said. Read it again, he said (verbatim): “ if connected via optical to a "decent" high performing DAC (e.g. Topping D50), it will outperform many higher-priced streamers”

I understand the usual rhetoric of your kin “everything sounds the same / no impact in SQ / no difference “, but saying “it OUTPERFORMS” many higher-priced streamers”, it is a bit of stretch. Based on what? On that ASR link? Or his own experience?

And, if a Topping D50 is “decent”, “well-designed”, “competent”, “high-performing”, then pretty much EVERY standalone DAC in the universe is such. But then again, this says nothing, as your only “contribution” in this site is about the virtues of a $2 (two American dollars) DAC 🎄🎈🎆😂

LOL!! Actual facts? He just ordered it. He does not own it yet. So let me understand this, he said the below based on some writing on the Internets, with no actual hands on experience whatsoever of either Chromecast Audio, or “High Priced Streamers”?

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if connected via optical to a "decent" high performing DAC (e.g. Topping D50), it will outperform many higher-priced streamers 
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Holy crap AtDavid! And you hold yourself as the The Special One around here

As I said, be a man, and meet me face to face. Let’s solve this once and for all like real people and not like dysfunctional keyboard warrior.

You called me with my real life name four of your usernames ago, and today you just told me you know where I live. So, don’t be a creepy whimper, show me your face, and let’s meet in person.

Audio2Design (AtDavid, Dannad, headaudio, Roberttdid, etc) —- same person —- is a Troll. Direct import from St. Petersburg troll factory. Change my mind 😉

Ask-hole!! 😂😂 Funny!

What not so funny is these types of folks mastering the art of trolling, and starting the flame wars by “asking a question”, or “trying to understand”, or “learning”. 

To clarify, chi-fi meant China Audio devices. As in audio stuff made in China, from Chinese “companies” reverse engineering stuff made in US, Europe, and Japan. Theft of intellectual property in a nutshell. Like pretty much with everything in world, not just audio. Call it racist, I don’t give a flying f+😍😍. It’s the truth. Coupled with a full blown marketing campaign using the troll factory imports & Google searches, then we have what we have here. 

And I am pretty sure you will read this before it’s been deleted @atdavid, since you are a full time troll: I am very close to finding you, and will meet you in person soon. Next time you are in NY 😂😉

Hey @clifffff : to answer your question: since the chi-fi peddlers and paid advertisers started flooding ALL audio forums, posting under the disguise of science and “scientific measurements”. In the name of science. Objective is clear: bury the domestic audio industry to the ground, until every single person buys a chi-fi device. Just look at the attack in the name of measurements to low cost US based manufacturers like Schiit Audio.

After all, it’s really cheap to hire dime a dozen trolls from the troll factory.

So when Audio2Design posts a bazillion of posts here (and over 10,000 posts previously under the 4-5 now banned usernames), he is actually working, that’s his job.

Oh... and I know how this @rhg88 fake show is going to end: he will eventually “buy” a chi-fi DAC, likely a Topping or Matrix touted by the “science” ASR peddlers, feed it with a CCA, and prove it to everyone it’s the best ever audio since kingdom come

So @rhg you fully understand those plots, but you still don’t own any streamer (just ordered a CCA from eBay), and any DAC? Hmmmm....

You guys are pathetic. And you don’t even hide it anymore. Your kin makes me throw up. Have at it

Keyboard type? Look in the mirror. You have here over 10,000 posts under five usernames. In just over one year. Who is the keyboard warrior?
One day, I will find out who you really are. I am very close. I have a very good idea based on your activity here, and in Facebook groups. Even if they ban this username, pretty sure you will come back here, it will be easy to spot. I promise you will have a “blast” when we meet.

I called out AtDavid. So you are AtDavid?

You know my name, and it sounds like you know where I live. Why don’t you tell me your name and perhaps we can meet face to face. Like man to man.