“Invest” in Tekton?


I’ve been a member of Audiogon for a while but haven’t really had the need to utilize the forums until now... I’ve perused the forums pretty extensively the past couple of days but haven’t really found my specific question.... First some background: I’ve had my current system for quite some time (PSB image: 5t, 9c, 2b, subsonic 6; Denon AVR3311 as preamp; and a NAD T955 amp) and have been pretty happy with it... yes, I tend to hold on to my stuff for a while.... I recently decided to explore the option of upgrading/updating my speakers and was pretty interested in some midlevel stuff (SVS Prime, Emotiva, PSB X2T, Paradigm 8, 9, or 10 something…) but ultimately decided the $2000-$3000 price tag wasn’t worth the investment as they were all roughly in the same league as my PSBs... Somehow, I stumbled upon the review of the Tekton double impacts... don’t even know how I found it but there I was... I kinda chuckled to myself when the reviewer started comparing them to $20,000 speakers and then started calling them better at some things... I was a little pessimistic about the review because in my aforementioned research every speaker was the greatest thing since sliced bread.. (To be honest, in my eyes, the professional reviewers lost some credibility because every speaker was just great, couldn’t find a bad review no matter how hard I tried...) Anyhow, the comparison to speakers 7-10x in price piqued my curiosity so I started snooping around for any Tekton reviews I could find and lo and behold, everyone loves them and the comparisons to speakers multiple times their price were plentiful. Ok, so the Tektons are good and now I’m more interested than I should be…

So here’s the rub… I’ve never even considered spending $5000-$6000 on a speaker system (5.0-5.1). Never in my wildest dreams… I’ve always had a theoretical limit of $3k and never gave anything above that a thought. Along comes Tekton with speakers that are in the 5-6k price range (5.0-5.1) but are being compared to speakers $20,000+ and the fact people are putting them in the same league as speakers in that price range, and saying they are better in some instances, is intriguing…

So here’s where I am asking for some assistance. It seems the Tekton lineup is a unique opportunity to acquire reportedly superior sonic performance with apparently unparalleled value. However, $5-6k is a TON of money in my world.. It won’t break the bank but admittedly, it bends it pretty significantly and spending this kind of money on speakers definitely wasn’t a consideration even a week ago… Personally, I am seeing this as a once in a lifetime purchase (am 43 and would expect these to be the last major speaker purchase of my life) but I do need to justify to my betrothed. My original sales pitch to her included the analogy “it seems they are selling Lamborghinis for the price of a Mustang…” and “I really don’t think there will be another opportunity like this” (when did I start selling timeshares???!!!) There are other barriers with her as well (e.g., “They’re how big?!”) but she does have somewhat of an understanding of how much I like music and stereo stuff.. somewhat…

So my actual questions:

  1. To those that have actually heard the speakers, (transducers?)… do you really feel they are leaps and bounds better than typical speakers in the 3-6k range (generally speaking…)? For comparison, I liked the SVS Ultras but due to price and size (yeah, I know how big the Tektons are..) I put them in the “maybe someday” category. To be clear, I’m not asking is “x better than y?” but rather “Do these $3000 speakers really belong in the same class as $20,000 speakers????

  2. In your humble opinions, is this really a rare/unique opportunity with unparalleled value that is a “once-in-a-lifetime opportunity” or are situations like this (incredible value for the money) more common?

  3. I can’t even claim to have a basic understanding of electronics, I’ve read up on ohms and what not and my eyes glaze over.. I spoke with Eric and he, without hesitation, stated my NAD T955 would be plenty sufficient to run whatever options I went with. Thoughts? I intend on using the NAD until it dies (hopefully no time soon) and will deal with next steps when the time is right…

  4. I am super nervous about ordering something so expensive unheard, If anyone is interested, I would like to have a discussion relating to my type of music and listening environment/levels.. (not including in this post to keep size down..)

  5. Any other relavant information I haven't considered, particularly in the area of justifying a purchase such as this?

There are probably 100 other little tidbits I could include in this but I am trying to be as brief as possible and I still wrote a novel… Anyhow, any productive assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

la10slgr

Showing 11 responses by david_ten

@la10slgr:

I commend you on your thoughtful approach to making your choice(s) and for reaching out to other members for feedback and guidance.

My advice will match some points that have already been made, and will be contrarian in other ways. These are some things I wish I had impressed upon myself 20 years ago!

If you find this too direct, I encourage you to consider that: This is also a letter of advice to myself. : ) Which I hope makes it less personal.

1. Only you know your musical and sound performance preferences. Your room is unique. Your current system is also unique to you. How you utilize it, is also specific to you. How your partner’s sound, music and aesthetic preferences factor in are also unique.

Therefore, whatever is said, including what I am about to, should be unwaveringly evaluated through your own filters and situation.

2. Expect your sound and audio related IQ / EQ to move forward and higher (hopefully) over time and with experience.

a) Don’t get hung up on this speaker purchase being a life-time long one. Did you say that to yourself when you got the PSBs? If so, it’s a trick we often play on ourselves to justify the spend and keep the partner happy.

b) You are 43! You’ve got another 40 plus years of good hearing left in those ears of yours. Likely more with medical and tech advancements over that time period.

c) As you get more established, the discretionary spends (on anything really) generally get easier.

3. If audio is something you truly love and ARE INTO: I would, when the time is right, skip past the analogies with your ’betrothed’ and have a conversation about what you love, and enjoy, and dream of, so she realizes, IF THIS IS THE CASE, how important and essential it is to you. There will be lifelong benefits from doing so.

4. Most audio equipment is good. In fact most, even at the lowest of price-points, is remarkably good.

a) We (and I am exhibit 1.) expend a lot of time trying to figure out what is better. This isn’t necessarily a ’waste’ of time, though it depends on how the one goes about it. But it most certainly can get in the way of listening enjoyment. Figure out what balance works best for you.

b) Understand what ’enjoyment’ is and means to you.

5. Conventional advice, especially in the short history of electricity based audio, has been that the speaker is the most important component in the audio chain. Linn is known for it’s historically opposite approach.

a) I started with a full embrace of the conventional approach at the time (which btw is fracturing, or is, at the very least, not as rigid now). I wish I had not.

b) There is a very, very long chain that the electrical signals pass through before reaching the speaker.

c) Think and reflect about point b), perhaps even read up on these areas so you can decide for yourself....if it were my money, I’d spend it on the source and power supply/cabling, and see how your current speakers perform. If you are still not happy with the PSB system, then go with new speakers...your ’upgraded’ speakers will appreciate and reward you for the enhanced front end and power.

d) You may be very surprised how your PSBs (or any other reasonably priced speaker) will sound with a much higher performing front end and cleaner power. Take yours to one of your local dealers and hook them up so you can make that call for yourself.

5. The room, the room, the room. Treat it, well. : )

6. Speaker placement and seating positions.

7. Speaker isolation.

8. Speaker Cable.

9. You want to change your speakers, but you haven’t truly clarified why!!! This is from your original post (I apologize if you have clarified this further into the thread): "I recently decided to explore the option of upgrading/updating my speakers".....)

a) Your post is mainly about value, spend, and performance to price ratio. If you can dig down into WHY your are replacing the PSBs, etc., I think members will be able to give you more specific and perhaps more useful feedback.

b) The ’why’ may also help you in realizing that it might not entirely be a speaker issue.

-----------------------------------------

Despite my indirect efforts to dissuade you from a speaker spend, let me state, For full disclosure and disclaimers know and unknown, that I do own the Tekton Double Impacts and am very happy with them.

I’ll close with how I started: These are some things I wish I had impressed upon myself 20 years ago!

BUT THEN THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THE JOURNEY.

Happy travels. Best wishes and good luck.


Reach out to @mac48025

He can offer you advice on your new room as well as the DIs. and other Tekton speakers.


@helomech:  great points. You could also go with active monitors. For example, the active version of the Kefs that helomech mentions, ATC, and others, etc.

I missed the room size...   9 by 11 !!! I think you are in the basement, how high is the ceiling?

Another option:

Have you considered headphones? A used TOTL / Reference system can be had for your total budget, including DAC and amp. No room treatment and subsequent spend required.

Even open backs, which I recommend getting, will not bother anyone if you are in this room, or most other rooms for that matter.

You will get the bass you desire. Or equalize it to your heart's content.


@la10slgr, You said: "re: headphones. I have a set of headphones that I love (Audio Technica ATH-M50x) sound great and everything!!! I’ve actually been doing exactly what you recommended the past couple of years but it’s just missing something that speakers give…"

Th M50x is good. I'm not sure what you drive them with, BUT...have you heard a well put together reference level headphone system?

a reference TOTL headphone system (cans, components, and all cabling) will deliver for around 10K (purchased wisely) what 20K in a speaker system will struggle to, especially given your room,  and that's if you go with something like the Tekton DIs which don't dent the budget like other higher end speakers will. And I'm being extremely conservative with the 20K favoring the speakers and realistic with the 10K on the headphone system (it can probably be done for less).
@toddverrone: 

: ) "you don't feel headphones moving your body and the furniture.  there's something to be said for that..."  Yes, in fact, a massage chair. : )
The monkey on your back, or in this case, the monkey in the room is The Room!  @helomech nailed it: you are really constrained by your room. 9X11 by??? 6 to 7 feet since it is a basement??? Cinderblock???

You really should consider a 'near-field' setup like the one @helomech suggests. Taking the Tekton DIs out of the equation, you generally should be able get a higher quality speaker if you choose a monitor over a floor stander, for the same spend. You have said 2.1 is a possibility...it would be great if you could incorporate a sub with the monitors, or preferably 2 subs. But the room is going to limit this...it will be easy to overwhelm the room, so something that is delicate, has a smaller woofer, and doesn't go down super low. If you don't, the excess energy will just get sent up the walls and the flooring above you, and into your home. You've said you like hard rock. : ) Given the room size, front porting speakers or transmission line speakers that port to the front or to the bottom would also be good options.

Talk to Eric. Maybe it is better to go with one of his other models, and incorporate a sub, one of his or another brand's. I still think the DIs will work, just leave a sub out of the mix, and plan on major room treatment in your situation. @teajay  recommends Linear Tube Audio as a fantastic pairing for the DIs, and this would help you accomplish (along similar lines) what @last_lemming  is recommending.

Given your room, I still recommend a headphone setup as a very good option. I purposely mentioned the 10K level to give you a feel for what you could accomplish for not that much more than your stated budget of 5-6K. The 5-6K, wisely applied to the complete chain will easily get you to around 85% of what the 10K spend would and will kill the equivalent spend for a speaker setup. Plus you get to take the room completely out of the equation. Set the room up for comfort and use, as you prefer, without having to spend a dime or time on treating it.
@la10slgr:  Congratulations. Great news about your room! Looking forward to your impressions and evaluation of the Double Impacts (I believe that is what you went with, correct?).
Your advice is on point. +1

Tekton Design offers a 60 day home trial. Most direct to end-user speaker companies do the same and it is absolutely worth taking advantage of. I would not have purchased the Tekton Double Impacts without a home trial guarantee.

Hi Mapman. Those old paper based maps worked also! Not a bad analogy, eh..... : ) I remember spending hours at the map stores, when I was a kid. Great memories.

I agree and would add that even current 'cheaper' speakers can sound great once the system ahead of them is optimized and is working well together.

As for a house sound for Tekton speakers, I cannot comment since the Double Impacts are my first Tekton speakers.

There are others who have had multiple models who will be able to answer your question.

@sslide   Great to hear you are happy with your Double Impacts. Be sure to post your findings over on the T'ekton Double Impacts' Thread as well.

I'm sure your wife cares about you. And that is all that really matters. :)