Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru

Showing 12 responses by kana813

Since your D1 seems to have a quality DAC and can take a digital input, why not use a quality Redbook transport for CDs and a separate DVD player? Have you tried running
the digital output of the DV-50 into the D1?

For the same money as the DV-50, you could also use one of the Theta transports.
For those who own a machine which allows connection to an external clock, here are two other devises to look at:

I Clock by MUTEC
Big Ben by Apogee
Tbg-

"I think shootouts are useless." Careful, you might put an end to, in Avguru's words: “one of the best, most interesting and most well responded to threads going on Audiogon now.”

"About a year ago, I decided to evaluate all of what I thought were the best ac line filters."

Did you test the Running Spring Audio units?
Audiojoy4

"I am surprised that switchmode supplies are being used, i really did think that they were using more conventional power supplies. I do also know that the famed Meitner is also working from switch mode. My general experience has been that switch modes tend to sound leaner, harmonially less fleshed out but with a faster more pushy sound."

Halcro is also using SMPS units in their products. With proper design and noise control SMPS can produce excellent results. Manufacturers use them because they're cheap,save
on shipping weight and the same supply will work on 220-240
or 100-120 VAC.
Kyle- Mahalo for your post,and sharing your mana'o.I also agree with Richard.Folks like 711 have no idea what's under the hood,so APLHI can charge them big bucks for cheap parts.Aloha,Kana.
Avguru- Please don't accuse me of a comment I didn't make. It was Tbg that posted "I think shootouts are useless."

I look forward to the results of your shootout, but please include the EMM Labs gear.
Tbg- Mahalo. "This is all just writing about sounds as we hear them. YMMV is the proper conclusion." Well said.

Mr. Moderator/Originator, aka Avguru- I'd like an apology
for your false accusation.
711- Since you have mulitple CDPs, why don't you loan your APL 3910 to Lazarus28, so he can tell us how it compares to his EMM Labs gear.
"I am still struck that a poster can also serve as a moderator, although I think avguru has been open, although perhaps with too much vanity showing."

Tbg- Excellent point. I'm still waiting for an apology from avguru-poster/moderator for being accused of making a statement made by you.
If you folks are looking recordings for your shootout, check out Geri Allen’s The Life of a Song on Telarc
(CD-83598/SACD-63598).

I haven't heard the SACD, but the redbook is the best sounding DSD recording I've heard.
"let's try 2 get back 2 the topic at hand.."

Henryhk- it would great if someone like you with EMM Labs
gear could borrow one of these modified Denon 3910s and a DV50S and finally report how they compare.
Tbg- Mahalo for the feedback. From what I've read(TAS)the EMM Labs CDSD transport is greatly superior to the "troublesome Phillips." Your point about the Reimyo is well taken. Some people are not intested in SACD, and are still looking for a great Redbook machine.