Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
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Showing 5 responses by frankg

Brian & others involved in the upcoming shootput. (really don't like the term shootout since we have a common goal, hopefully). Anyway, I've been watching this thread with much interest. Besides myself there'll be many waiting for your results to be reported.
I should mention that I'm a big fan of both the EMM and APL products. I own some of both with plans for more.
I would like to make one suggestion if you have the Emm gear there.
Since some are balanced and some are single ended designs, would it be possible to have balanced and single ended systems to compare the various machines?
For instance, Alex tells me the 3910 is a single ended design and sounds better hooked up that way. On the other hand the EMM gear is a balanced design and may (or may not) sound better hooked up with XLR's. I run mine balanced and havent't really tried RCA's as even my Gryphon amp is balanced and XLR's are recommended.
It's possible that the APL might win in a single ended system and losing in a balanced and visa versa for EMM.
This would help all of us make a more educated decision for our particular systems.
I know this complicates things more and will take more time but it will give clearer more defining results.

Springbok10. I mentioned above that the APL is a single ended design.
Alex told me he was going to offer balanced outs as an option but feels the machine sounds better single ended. He may have changed his mind so check with Alex to make sure.
Guidocorona. Don't know why but going to apl website through agon you don't get the updated info. Go to aplhifi.com from your home page. Alex explains how he does the balanced outs on the updated site.
Lazarus 28. Alex has fixed/modded 2 EMM/Philips for me. You're going to love the sound with his power supply mods. You'll have more body without loseing any of the detail. More musical to my ears.
Alex told me the new furore chip will take 200 hours to break in. It sounded great after 200 but sounded better after 300.
Frank
Lazarus28. Yes they stay fixed when Alex does the work. The replacement chips he uses are a revised version with a different part number. Chip relaibility is no longer an issue. I've had others claim that they've had their chips replaced (by someone else) but it's the original production furore chip. EMM did have replacement mace chips at one time but as far as I know only Alex has the replacement furore chip.
Frank