I'll preface my statement with I've been a Wilson Audio fan since the release of the Wilson Sophia 2s. The Sasha's are the best speaker that I've ever owned. They are dynamic, smooth, and chameleon like. Sasha's have an ability to disappear and let music float in air. I submit they can be difficult to set-up and electronics/system integration is crucial. Everyone doesn't prefer the Wilson sound and at this price I encourage you to listen to as many speakers within a given price as you can...Rockport, Magico, and YG are just a couple that come to mind. The bottom line is let your ears decide. |
Stanwal,
I couldn't agree more with your comments about electronics. My Densen B-350s mono-amps were fantastic with Sophia 3s, but struggle a little with the Sasha's.
Mechans,
I think you would be surprised by how many own expensive speakers without electronics to match. I love my Densen's but know there are several amps that would get more out of the Sasha's. I've been enjoying this hobby for 20 years. I have traded my way up and purchased what I hope is my last speaker. In time I will upgrade my source and add room treatment. |
I've owned Mirage M1s, Devore Fidelity, Audio Physics, Artemis EOS, Sophia 2s & 3s and now Sashas. What I love and hate about Sashas is every component change can be easily heard and sometimes the change is dramatic. I like to learn in this hobby and my recent experience with CD players reminds me that the source has a significant impact on the sound of speakers. I auditioned a CD player that made my "system" super bright, diffused, and made me not want to listen. The CD player I like so far is a 10 year old Metronome CDV2 Signature and my system sounds very smooth. I'm replacing a Apollo-R. I submit that when you get to the level of Sashas, every component impacts the sound; therefore synergy becomes more important than the speakers. |
Nvp,
"eventually everybody here has figured out Wilson speakers are very bad." I guess I didn't get the memo...I've listened to many speakers and for some strange reason I preferred Wilson Sashas. I didn't take anyone's advise, my wife and I used our ears. I heard several speakers that I enjoyed and/or did somethings better than Sashas; however overall I preferred Sashas. Speakers are about component matching...I recently inserted a new cd player in my system that changed the tonality of my speakers and after a couple of days I returned it. I had a home audition of another player that complimented my "overall" system. My point is your not just hearing a speaker, your hearing a system and my experience tells me that when partnered with the right components Sashas are just as good as other speakers. That being said, everyone has different preferences and there are no absolutes! |
Nvp,
Sorry for directing my response to you. |
Bo1972,
Name three speakers under 30K that I should listen to, so I can sell my Sashas. I listen to Jazz and my room is 20'x26'. |
Bo1972
It's great that you have outstanding ears, but all I asked was for you to recommend 3 alternatives to Sashas below 30K. |
Bo1972,
Considering what I paid,I'm actually happy with my system. Have you ever heard Densen with Sasha's? I listen to contemporary Jazz and some old R&B. When the recording permits, the image has depth and extends outside of the speakers. Have I heard the Sasha's sound better...yes I have(usually tubes).
In all seriousness, I don't want you to recommend any speakers for me...I've had the luxury of auditioning everything that I've purchased. My wife and I are the only ones that can determine what to purchase. I do get recommendation from a very good dealer/friend of 20 years...he usually asks the following questions, what I'm I looking to improve and how much can I comfortably spend. I will continue to improve my system as funds permit. |
I found a dealer that carries the P1-200s that's relatively close to me. I will be taking my amp, preamp, and cables to listen to the P1-200s. I'll be sure to provide my honest feedback. |
Bo1972,
you go on and on about how Wilson's need so much to get them to sound good and then you say, "To get everything out of the Pl-200 you need an amp which can give an extreme wide and deep stage", I get a wide and deep stage with the Densen and instruments sound real. I'm sure if I had the Pass Labs it would sound even better. You say, "I need the PLW-15 to strat from 16hz", I don't like subs. No my Sasha's don't go to 16hz, but the type of music I listen to doesn't require them to. You continue by saying, "You also need Audyssey pro and my way of measering to get the full stealth low freq". You remind me of why I give very little credence to individuals on the internet. Like I said, I will go listen to the P1-200s with my equipment and report my thoughts. |
Bifwynne,
I'm putting them in their crates now! To deviate from this thread for a second...I'm thinking about the Audio Research Ref CD8 as my next move...did you compare it to anything else prior to purchase? What source did you own prior to the Ref CD8 and could you describe the changes or your overall impressions of the tonality of the Ref CD8.
Thanks |
Bo1972,
"Wilson does not say; hey you need a big room and acousticly adapt it to get a good sound", no manufacture does, that's what the dealer is for. Wilson dealers and other dealers are there to advise on set-up, and what speaker works best for the given situation(room size, associated equipment, and how much money the customer wants to spend). That being said, I've called Wilson many times and they provided advise on electronics and placement of speakers. |
Bo1972,
Your argument is that Wilson is some how unique, requiring acoustic treatment, expensive amplifiers, and proper placement to sound best...While at the same time you said,"I do not think Densen is a great match with Monitor Audio. Because it is not able to let you hear the real sound of instruments Pass Labs can give." Your own words support my argument. "Most" highend speakers excel when properly set-up, the room has the right acoustic treatment, and the right electronics(sometimes expensive). I'm currently driving my Sasha's with according to you, an inferior amp, but they still sound good to me. Their in a room without acoustic treatment and still sound good to me. There is no doubt in my mind that they will sound better with acoustic treatment and the right amplifier, but that can be said about all speakers and that's my only point. |
