Vinyl. Is it me? the producer? cartridge? Record?


It's no surprise that some recordings sound significantly different than others. Different studios, engineers, musicians, arrangers and instrumentation.

I probably have over 1000 albums ranging from 50's jazz, 60's folk, jazz, rock, psychedelic, classical etc.. and I can probably find certain recordings that sound fantastic on my system from any genre. Others not so good.

I am running a Music Hall 5.2 Goldring 1012GX, Scott 340B Vintage Tube amp, Silver stranded cables, Custom Klipsch that would basically be similar to Forte 2, with a 15" self powered sub.

I enjoy the the treasure hunt vinyl offers. It's great when I find an album that:

1: I like the music
2: The album was properly recorded
3: It's a nice clean copy

Of the 1000 records, I probably have 30 real standout recordings that really shine on all levels. It's great to find them.

While I can still enjoy less than perfect recordings if I like the music, it's still much better to have the whole enchilada experience, especially when sharing my system with guests, friends, family etc.

While I have read some who feel the Goldring is a bit shrill or harsh at times, I tend to put the blame more on the session engineer for adding high EQ to the recording or not recording the lower frequencies properly.

If all my records sounded harsh I would blame the cartridge, or some other aspect, tubes, tonearm etc.. but this is not the case. Some recordings simply sound correct, and I would not want them any other way.

At times I feel some of the lesser quality recordings would sound better on a different kind of set up. Probably a system with a much more colored low end, with the higher frequencies rolled off quite a bit. But on the downside, the really good recordings I have would suffer tremendously.

Do some of you feel the need for two systems where you might say "these recordings sound best over here, and these ones are best played on this other set up?"

One thing for sure is that anytime I have both a vinyl and CD version to compare... vinyl wins hands down every time..unless it's one of these new vinyls that was cut from a digital source. (they can't fool me)

Thoughts anyone?
astralography
My feeling is that my system is simply more revealing than most of the studio monitors that these recordings were mixed on. Anything Ken Scott did sounds fantastic. He probably mixed records on similar monitors as did many other producers.
There is a tendency to want to brighten up a recording with a bit of EQ if you are mixing on a set of speakers that don't have horn drivers. It may be as simple as that.

In my humble opinion, I think horn driven speakers are going to offer more accuracy in the higher frequencies than cones are ever going to. Just the physics of it. Horns go nicely with horns.

It would sure be nice to know what kind of speakers were used to mix each individual record. If the problem was really in my system, I think it would show up on all recordings. I have 40 albums that sound perfect. I would not change a thing. But if I put on Highway 61 Revisited, it does sound a bit shrill. I should probably just play that on a different system.
To be honest...there are not that many so-called perfect recordings...if u have 40 in ycollection...better than nothing...although obvisiouly depends what u listen to...phasecorrect
Being a musician and one who has spent a fair amount of time behind a mixing console also, my ears might be a bit more sensitive than most.

I spent a lot of time trying to get things to sound unnatural during the 90's exploring the possibilities of studio outboard gear, and what that could add to the music that was tracked. I'm finding myself now retreating from those ideals and enjoy simpler cleaner recordings, and performances. When you add effects, or even EQ in post production, it changes the sonic landscape often to the point of things simply not sounding realistic. While most seem to like that.. I really don't anymore. I like to feel like the musicians are in the same room at the same time playing music that is truly interactive. I know this is something a lot of listeners are not going to be aware of, but if I hear dry vocals with a bunch or reverb on the drums or a flat sounding kit with a sax solo that sounds like it was recorded in a brick alley at 3 am... I find that quite uncomfortable.

In today's music, it's pretty much standard fair to drop all the tracks into a computer program like Pro Tools and then just fix everything, move all the drum hits to the nearest 8th or 16th note, and use pitch shifters to fix all the flaws in a solo or vocal performance. But it really doesn't sound right. Too homogenized for my tastes. I think it's killing the music and the industry in the long term.

The thing the young musicians are not getting is the creativity that comes from massive amounts of practice time.

Artists used to have to grind it out, and really get prepared for a session, and in that grind would come nuances and articulations that are simply not happening anymore due to modern studio practice. There is way too much "That's good enough" "we'll fix the rest" .. "Ok, let's move on to the next track". I'm just not hearing the lightening being bottled like it used to... especially with the instrumentalists.

The good players now sound too good, too unnatural it can become silly, like most of the contemporary jazz records. There is no realness, no heart in it anymore. Too much over production and manipulation.

Now getting back to recordings... the digital recordings are just that. Digital. I don't care what your arguments are or how many sampling "Ks" you boast, it will always come up short of a proper magnetic tape session. Then the playback issues... CD format, even Blueray disc, it just is what it is. Convenience over quality.
I agree, especially within the "Contemporary Jazz" ("smooth jazz) category. The studio albums are too clean and the playing and sound are sterile. However, if you hear many of these artists live you may change your mind about them. Many of them can really play, but are at the mercy of their producers in the studio.

I would love to see more live albums by these artists, where they are allowed to control their own performance.
I tend to enjoy mid to late 70s recordings...pre digital...pre pro tools...SOTA analogue multitrack...just before 80s hated drums and heavy reverberated...but still some quirky new wave/punk twists...anything at compass studios during this era is immaculate...early b52s, talk heads, etc.