Rega RB 1000 - Outgunned by Origin Live?


After years of Sotas, Regas, Thorens, etc etc I have done a U-turn in thinking I bought a Technics SL1210. In fact, I was spurred on by things I read on this site and a tip-off from a friend. The turntable is great, but I am not convinced about the Technics arm. So, I've bought a plate that can take Origin Live and Rega tonearms. I have an opportunity to buy a 2nd hand Rega RB 1000. However, I haven't seen much written about this arm. It won product of the year in it's category quite a few years ago and that's all I can find. Does anyone out there have any first hand experience or knowledge of this arm? It seems (at least when bought new) to be rather expensive for what looks like an RB300 with better bearings and lack of black paint. Do the the Origin Live arms (I'm thinking the Silver) really have the edge over the RB1000 (at least in the positive reviews). The Silver has been put onto SL1200s for some time and seems to work well. But that RB1000 looks pretty fine...
dsa
The RB1000 doesn't mount like an RB250/RB300 so I don't think it will mount on the Origin Live board. quoted from manual "It is fitted to the plinth by a 3-point fixing."

I had a Technics SL1210M5G and later moved to a table with an RB300. I prefer the Technics arm by a long shot over the rega arms.... GET KAB silcon damper for the Technics and rewire the arm... I sold my Technics to a friend and he put the damper on and it totally transformed the table.

or if you want to change arms you can get an SME mount and install and SME IV or something similar.
Thanks Cytocycle for the response. I checked with the manufacturer of the plate- it just needs three extra holes drilled to accommodate the the three point mounting system. As for the Technics arm- I would have to detach the arm and send it OS for the re-wire work. If I'm going to go to that much trouble I thought I would go the whole way and get a new arm. I feel that the arm was designed for a time when a different range of cartridges were available and when design priorities were different. However, Kevin from KAB has a strong and well wrought argument for the quality and design attributes of the Technics arm. On a different note, I'm going to put in a post regarding a couple cartridges I own.
Hi Cytocycle
Interesting comment about the Technics arm. I think Kevin feels the M5G version with the upgraded tonearm wire is good enough that it may not be necessary to rewire the arm.

Just curious about how you feel the sound of your current rig differs from the Technics?
Dsa: Don't write off the Technics arm, once my old table had the Silicon damper, the whole table was vastly improved, plus the Mapleshade m6 threaded brass footers and 4" Timbernation maple board. The KAB record clamp and the thicker Technics Mat also helped. I was going to get the Isoplate mat if I had kept the table.
My comment about sticking with the Technics arm was related to the damping trough as I found that made a huge difference compared to my RB300 (modified with Michell counterweight), plus the lack of easy VTA really sucked. I was spoiled by the simplicity to setup of the Technics, and the ability to get a headshell that could allow for Azimuth adjustments which the Rega arms can't do.

DSA: Another Arm to consider is what I'm using now which is a Clearaudio Satisfy which has saphire bearings and amazing cabling.. there is no comparison to the RB300 I had and these arms are a great value with the upgrade cabling and connectors... The Clearaudio Satisfy arm has a Rega Mount on it.... Just throwing out that as an option over the Origin Live. You can look at my system thread to see pictures of the arm.

Cmk:I love my Clearaudio Ambient Magnum with CMB (ceramic magnetic bearing), it has a regenerator built in so it locks at 33.3 or 45 and starts quickly with a push of a button like the Technics and is wickedly speed stable (you should hear pianio on it). I was having a problem with my 5" bass port on my Wilson Maxx's affecting the playback of my turntable (Funk Vector with RB300, bought after selling the Technics Sl1210) sitting on my Salamander Berlin's Glass top. So I suddenly need a table with suspension or sometype of isolation. I had done the 4" maple block and it works great but it is just massive on my small rack so I wanted a table that incorporated some vibration capabilities (you could feel the guitar strum on the glass top of my rack....) The Clearaudio Ambient uses Aluminum sandwiched bulletproof plywood which allows me to hit my knuckles on the top glass while playing a record and hear absolutely nothing through my speakers.. truely stunning the level adjustable footers and the Ceramic Magnetic Bearing work amazing.. plus because of the CMB the noise floor has been lowered in a huge way compared to my Technics so now I can really listen into the music, and I can't say enough about how stunning the Benz LP cart is!!!

05-04-08: Cmk
Hi Cytocycle
Interesting comment about the Technics arm. I think Kevin feels the M5G version with the upgraded tonearm wire is good enough that it may not be necessary to rewire the arm.
I have an M5G, and while the upgraded wiring may not be quite up to what a fresh rewire with Cardas or Kimber would offer, I have no complaints and have never felt that the M5G tonearm wire holds the turntable back.

Get a Sumiko headshell or at least get upgraded headshell leads and clips.

I will also testify that the KAB fluid damper helps the the stock tonearm reach its potential. The tonearm's fine balance and extremely low bearing friction are now modulated by the damping fluid, eliminating groove chatter and minimizing overshoot. Suddenly there's plenty of soundstage and I can "hear the room," no question.

I lo-o-o-o-o-ve my SL1210 M5G with fluid damper, better mat, and record clamp. It draws me into any kind of music I throw on the platter--classical, country, rock, jazz, solo, small ensemble, or large--it all draws me in and moves me. Sometimes the music I play on this rig haunts me for days.