Tube pre picking up feedback/vibration?


Recently got a pair of Magnepan 3.7's and a Sanders Magtech.
Have an old ARC LS15, newly retuned.
Have noticed a muddiness in the bass, kind of a one tone bass at times. When I tap on the preamp cabinet, get a distinct sound transmitting to the speakers, so
I gather I'm picking up some feedback. The pre is rather cole to the speakers, and it doesn't have the isolation of more current models.
Can you guys help with suggestions to stop this?
I'm considering a new preamp, but never noticed this with my previous speakers.
Are there isolation devices to deal with this, tub dampers, etc???
Changes the wires from the Pre to the amp, Putting in my Verbatim wires in place of the Nordost, and that helped some. but want to remove this source of pollution from the system, obviously.
Thanks
Carl
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Your cable routing could be causing a problem. Do some 'process of elimination' experiments to see if you can pin it down. If you have a noisy tube, it will sound more like white noise/hiss, not so much hum. A hum in only one channel is often caused by an interconnect passing close to a transformer or power cord.

1st try just reversing the tubes from channel to channel. If the sound does not change with the switch it is not a tube problem. If it does, it is a tube. Replace it.

Next, look at all of your interconnect and power cords and try to keep them well away from each other. If you must have an IC near a PC, makes sure it crosses it, NOT running parallel to it. Also make sure that the IC's are well away from any transformers in any of your components.

If that doesn't do it, disconnect each source first the PC and then the IC's. If the sound goes away your problem is in your source or its connections. If is does go away, then reconnect them one channel at a time and see if it reappears.

If doing all of that doesn't get you a fix, you might consider that you have a cap going bad. Did ARC check out your unit or did you just buy and install new tubes? If the latter then perhaps you need to have a techie check this out.
Short the input RCA jacks and see if the hum is there.
If so its the preamp, if not its your CD player or cables.

Not your power amp.

Yes some tubes are microphonic, some tubes hum.
Carefully swap the L and R channel tubes and see if it moves with the tubes. If not, then send the amp back to Audio research and have them check signal grounding.

I find Marakanetz's post about Audio Research recommending NFB resistor change to be shocking. Changing NFB to tune overall gain can shift the oscillation pole frequency and can cause stability issues.
Thanks...great suggestions . I'll try to get time and let you know what I find.
Finally dug up an old set of Sovtek tubes, probably from many years ago, that were in a box in the basement. Put them in and took out the new ones ARC had sent me ...and no more noise, microphones, whatsoever!
To say I'm disappointed that they would sell crap like this is an understatement. These tubes are marked by them for the specific spot on the circuit board, but I guess no one actually tests them for micro phonics. Do they need to actually be installed in a preamp for thai to show up?? I figured one of the reasons that I should buy from the source, so to speak, was that they would send me something that wasn't a crap shoot.
Makes me wonder if I should look at this brand when I upgrade.
Anyway, problem solved. Now to get a replacement set that only make music when the signal says to!!..))
Consider NOS 6h23's for replacement tubes for your unit. They are drop in replacements. They are very rugged and are fairly identical to Sovteks tone wise. Get them from a dealer who will test the tubes for noise (low) and microphonic's. I've used them for years in an ARC pre-amp. Interestingly the last time ARC had it they put some new Sovteks in my phone stage. Guess what, one of them failed shortly after I got it back. Shit happens - I doubt that ARC did anything wrong, and I imagine that they would give you a replacement tube if you asked (unless you got it too long ago).

Good that you solved your problem. Be thankful it was just a tube! :-)