Using small stereo speakers with a subwoofer


For over 25 years I've used panel speakers including Acoustat, Magnepan and Martin Logan. I bought the Martin Logan Odysseys in about 2005 and have been very happy with them for stereo as well as HT (I haven't done surround sound now for about 10 years). As a side note, my preference for the music that I most listen to, has been the ribbons but, for me, it seems that the ESL's are more versatile. Also, I'm not saying that panels are the best choice for everyone; it's just what I've become accustomed to.

That being the history, I find myself in the position of trying to find a replacement speaker setup using stand or bookshelf speakers augmented with a subwoofer. I've tried something like this before and wasn't satisfied with the sound so need some input.

I have a Vandersteen sub which I can put back into service but the way it's designed allows for phase adjustment but no choice in crossover frequency. I don't really understand this concept but never really paid any attention to it when I was using larger front speakers. I'm considering trying the NHT 2.0 bookshelves primarily because they're inexpensive and I've read good reviews about them. This is a very small speaker which NHT advises using their sub with for those who are bass conscious.

So, here are the concerns; without the sub I can't imagine that these tiny speakers are capable of reproducing enough bass even for solo guitar music. That being the case, I assume that the sub they sell for use with the 2.0 will blend well because the crossover point and slope are specifically made to accompany this speaker pair, but can the Vandersteen be made to accomplish the approximate same thing? Also, am I spinning my wheels starting with the NHT's in the first place.
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I have to agree with Blimo.
It's one thing to say I read a great review, but to start ticking off their demensions and sound qualities. Also Ivan, take a look at Mountain High's and Quad Mans tactics , touting the speaker is better than $30,000 speakers, which is fine as long as they are upfront with their dealer and manufacturer status , which they don't .
The one thread with the four or five glowing reviews all seem suspect as well, as many of the reviews are first time posters , with zero audiogon history.
Which Vandersteen sub, and how old? There have been so many advances in powered sub technology that--if the Vandy lacks certain features--it may hold you back from putting together a good sat/sub system.

At the risk of being impertinent, why are you ditching panels in the first place? Have you heard the X.7 generation of Magnepans? I can't believe how stupid good my new 1.7s are for $2K, and the 3.7's (and upcoming 3.7i's) are reputed to be that much better.

A sat/sub system that really caught my attention (and held it throughout the demo) was a pair of B&W PM1s mated to their PV1D subwoofer. They used Classe electronics which high-passed the signal to the PM1s, expanding their dynamic range.
Toddnkaya, was unable to look up anyone by the name of Mountainman on Agon. "Quad Man" only seems to show up as Quadman, but there no posts associated with that member. The fact is, I can't recall seeing any posts about any wavetouch products by either of them...can you direct me to them? If what you say is true, I would like to see that. But, my main point is that all I Really did was direct Broadstone to the company's website (where of course there are reviews and info). I made a case for why I considered them to be relevant to Broadstone's situ largely by sticking to the specs and what PEOPLE WHO'VE HEARD THEM have already said about their sound. Since when is it out of bounds to do that? Look, I've been under the assumption that Broadstone is grown up enough to take what I wrote with any sized grain of salt he (or she) wishes and either dismiss what I said out of hand or get interested enough to go to the site and see what there was to it, if anything, for his own purposes. And I don't see any reason for B_limo or anyone else to suggest that Broadstone is somehow too challenged to be counted on to engage in that process on his own...or are both you guys saying that problem is just your own? I stated my case as I see it. And of course I gave the dimensions, Broadstone said he was looking for standmount speakers. I think that to suggest that I'm somehow out to dupe Broadstone based on what I wrote above is just a bit over the top, to me. I can't express an opinion (and a mostly positive one at that) on a product (yes, even one I say I haven't heard) that I've based on reasoned argument because it might offend?? That's crazy... I'm not asking anyone to BUY the damn things, just consider them!...for whatever that's worth to anyone. Last time I checked, that was what forums like this were for. If anyone feels the fact that I say I haven't heard them yet invalidates anything I wrote, then fine, ignore it and move on. But, I feel like I gave everyone the information they need to make up their own mind on that point, one way or the other.
Honestly, I considered the wavetouch speakers and may consider them again someday soon.

Ivan, your post sounds like spam, or an infomercial. You go on and on about how great these speakers are (which they may be!) only to say you've never actually heard them. The original post was about bookshelf speakers and a sub to replace tower speakers because the op was looking for more bass...

No hard feeling, Ivan, just saying that your intentions may have good, but could actually be harmful to a small, just starting out, company like wavetouch. Spam and lengthy posts touting a product that is slightly off the original post sounds fishy to most people and make them run.
Oh...ok, I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from. That may be an angle I didn't consider well enough from the start, my bad if that's so...not trying to muddy up the waters for anyone... I'll see if I can't be a little more careful about things like that from now on.