TTWeights new Black Onyx Idler drive Turntable


About three weeks ago I drove to Newmarket. It is about an hours drive from Brampton, but I wanted to listen to Larry's 'Christine' turntable. When I got there I found Larry all excited about his newer turntable. A less expensive, more heavily damped version of Christine (and much less expensive). He explained to me how Christine was way overbuilt. There is no reason for a one horsepower motor, way overkill. His 1" carbide main bearing shaft was also way too much, and the shape of Chrisine's plinth did nothing for resonance control. Along comes the Black Onyx, still in R & D, so off I went back to Brampton.

I went back three weeks later, that was a couple of days ago, and with an armful of albums, sat down for a long listen. I will say that a long listen is not necessary. It took about ten seconds to realise this was something very special. Everything from Cat Stevens, Bruce Cockburn and Jeena Lodwick to Dire Straits and YES. Without fail, every single track on every album left me with goosebumps. Singers seamingly playing for me in his office did nothing for my bank account. He now has my deposit, and I wait patiently.

My turntables have all been belt drive. Many years ago I purchased a Heybrook TT2. This was commonly referred to as a baby Linn. My next table was a JA Michell GyroDec (mostly because I thought it looked wicked), and finally to the Teses 340. I will say the jump from the Michell to the Teres was only equaled by the next jump to the Black Onyx. I think I can safely say Idler Drive turntables are a wonderful idea. The Saskia is highly regarded, as is the new VPI. Both idler drive. If you can get to TTWeights for a listen, you'd be doing yourself a favor.

The rest of my system is thus; ZYX Universe cartridge, TriPlanar and Schroeder DPS tonearms, Atma-Sphere MP-1 mklll preamp, Atma-Sphere MA-1 Silver edition amps, EMM Labs CDSAse, Magnum Dynalab MD-108T tuner, and an older pair of ProAc Response 2 speakers. I sold my Coincident TVll'2 and am building speakers using Accuton mid and tweeter, with SEAS 10" woofers. Still months away.

My listening room is almost complete and should be finished about the same time as the Black Onyx. I will get back to you after that.
cousinbillyl

Thanks for the answer, Billy. Just for fun, here's a Japanese idler-drive design, Epson-Seiko by Mr. Takeshi Teragaki that has the idler-wheel, more like a pinch roller, on the outside of the platter, making changing wheel/roller or maintenance much easier. The Onyx still looks amazing - to be perfectly honest, it's visually more appealing to me than the much more expensive Christine.

http://www.audio-heritage.jp/SEIKO_EPSON/player/sigma2000.html

More fun pictures.
http://www.teragaki-takeshi.jp/works/players.html

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My Black Onyx is back.

There is now a seperate stand alone armboard. Pictures are on Larry's website. Because my speakers are 17 years old, they are now the limiting component in my system. From memory it is ever so slightly better than the plinth mounted option, though I can't quite put my finger on why.

The large feet of the table no longer sit on carbon fiber pads, they now have a seperate coupling for each foot. I guess the carbon fiber was slippery, so minor movement of the table would affect spindle to pivot distance/alignment. No issue with the plinth mounted arm.

There is now a large copper plate 'under and attached to' the plinth. This probably aids in even more resonance control.

The housing that surrounds the motor is now filled with dampening material.

The things I originally loved about the table are all still there. I will go so far as to say there is even more space between instruments, though I had no complaints originally.

There are a few things I would like to note;

If I am using TTweights largest peripheral ring, the small knob of the TriPlanar arm touches the ring at the end of the album. I simply moved the remote armboard 2mm away, and moved the cartridge slightly further forward in the headshell. Obviously redid all tweaking.

When standing close to the table you can slightly hear the drive o-ring turning the platter. I tried listening for any indication of this between tracks, but heard non.

I remember the first time I read Doug Deacons post about using post-it notes for VTA adjustments. He stated each album had it's own fine setting for his Triplanar. I chuckled inwardly, and thought 'that'll be the day'. Opps!. My wife now gives me the thumbs up, or thumbs down. Thumbs up means raise the arm, too much base, or thumbs down for too much treble. Who invited her anyway!!!!. Post-it notes now on 15 albums. More listening tonight.

Cousin Billy

PS. Larry was over and heard the Atma-Sphere MP-1 and MA-1 combo, and, well, realised his rig at work was not so good. I love Ralph.
Thanks for your impressions CB. Seems like they are very well designed. One impression someone related to me:

"Looks like a pretty amazing deck & I can see the problems he's has developing it & his solutions for them. It is very similar to Salvation, but I suspect he has traded some sound quality for stability with electronic controller he is using. The brushless DC motor & controller is similar to the Verus."

I'm trying to decide, and hopefully Larry and I can work out a trade if I move forward.

cheers!
dc
The black onyx is I think at least 5 times expenisve the a Michell Gyrodeck, so it should be better.

But grats on your new turntable, enjoy the music.
Congrats on your new table.It's not to often that someone gets to be involved in the birth of a new company.I hope it keeps on making you happy.