Break In Question?


I have been under the assumption that in order for a component to break in there must be a signal pass through from one piece of equipment to another. That is, running a Dac/Preamp into an amp, the amp must be turned on for the Dac/Preamp to break in.

But is this really true? Does the amp really need to be turned on?

ozzy

ozzy

@douglas_schroeder 

The book costs $30 for the paperback version. If you spend the money, you likely will reap rewards many times the cost from learning how to avoid ineffective methods in system building. 

Wow, temping solicitation. I see you have wrote the same in a few other threads. How charitable of you. Unfortunately, I only buy broken-in books, so I expect I will never come across this glorious opportunity. 

Here is the chapter in my book entitled: 

Chapter Three — Why Reason Rarely Changes Minds

Why Reason Rarely Changes Minds Beliefs signal belonging before they signal accuracy. Reason often acts as a lawyer rather than a judge.

https://substack.com/@georgeprentice/note/p-194020749?r=486jpn&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web

Although best to start at the beginning. 

https://open.substack.com/pub/georgeprentice/p/forest-and-trees-table-of-contents?r=486jpn&utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

Yeah they used to tell you ,you must never turn your amps off...but I never listen to that.

@mahler123 

Company Product Type Typical Recommended Break-In
Wilson Audio Speakers ~100–300 hours
Magnepan Planar speakers ~200–400 hours
Focal Speakers ~20–50 hours
Bowers & Wilkins Speakers ~15–100 hours depending on model
KEF Speakers ~20–100 hours
MartinLogan Electrostatic speakers ~72 hours to several weeks
Dynaudio Speakers ~50–100 hours
Sonus faber Speakers ~100 hours
Harbeth Speakers ~30–100 hours
Klipsch Speakers ~20–100 hours
PS Audio DACs, amps, power products ~200–500 hours often cited
Naim Audio Electronics ~1 month continuous use often recommended
Audio Research Tube electronics ~300–600 hours for full stabilization
McIntosh Laboratory Electronics Usually minimal formal recommendation; some dealers suggest ~24–100 hours
Pass Labs Amplifiers ~200–300 hours
Conrad-Johnson Tube electronics ~100–200 hours
VAC Tube amps ~100–300 hours
AudioQuest Cables ~100–500 hours depending on cable
Cardas Audio Cables ~100–500 hours
Nordost Cables ~150–300 hours
Transparent Audio Cables ~100–200 hours
Shunyata Research Power products/cables ~100–200 hours
Koetsu Cartridges ~30–100 hours
Lyra Cartridges ~30–50 hours
Dynavector Cartridges ~40–100 hours
Ortofon Cartridges ~20–100 hours

I am well aware of manufacturer recommended break in. Based on actual system comparisons, it adds nothing to actual system building. In my book I explain that if you follow breaki in guidelines, as it appears ghdprentice does, since he listed manufacturers with their recommended break in times, you will hinder system building. I reviewed dozens of products and the makers told me personally what the break in time was. My perspective changed quickly when I decided to test and see if what I was experiencing, the sound seemingly changing, was actually happening. 

mclinnguy, your sarcasm is duly noted. You would benefit from the book, too. Do I care to exchange insults with you. No, I will only encourage you to trust someone who does more than talk about topics but has conducted testing to reach conclusions. If you don’t wish to do that, I have little more to say to you, except be blessed and enjoy your system. 

Anyone who is absolutely certain that break in happens, is audible and they know it because they hear it, needs to read the book. I used to hold the same perspective until I decided to test my perception. It is humbling to realize that what you are so sure about, what you think is absolute, is not happening. Then the conclusion is simple; most of the industry and community are using poor methods to advance their systems. 

And that’s the tip of the iceberg.  :)