Take it on faith: A cease-and-desist letter to those who only believe in measurements


Faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith). Faith is often considered to be distinct from and even contrary to science. I argue science is based on faith. Specifically, it is faith in the belief that measurements are always correct, and they alone can reveal the world around us. However, there is no evidence that this approach will always provide a correct and complete depiction of our environment.

I am not anti-science. In fact, I am all about science. I was a science major in college. I taught high school biology and chemistry. I employ science every day in my current career. I also use it to make decisions when it comes to audio, and I can point to a scientific basis behind my equipment decisions, speaker/listener locations and room treatment. I believe John Locke’s scientific method is a wonderful boon to mankind.  But although data may rule my life, I know that science has its limitations.

The scientific method is an empirical approach and relies on our eight senses or extensions thereof to measure phenomena, enabling us to better understand and control our environment. People who embrace this approach believe if something cannot be measured, it cannot exist. They have total faith in this approach and deny the credibility of others whose senses do not or cannot yield something in units. In essence, these disciples take it on faith that measurements are the only true way to make sense of the world. However, we just may not have developed the instrument that enables us to measure the event. Early digital is a good example of our senses superseding the limitations of our understanding of the technology and hence, our measurements. Other examples of this include our past beliefs that we could destroy mass, that the earth is flat, and the universe is not expanding. And cables and amplifiers all sound the same.

Others find their senses can reveal events that are not apparent to some and may not even be measurable. Some people can smell faint odors or feel a slight breeze that others cannot.  My wife can find a Petoskey stone on a beach out of thousands of rocks; I cannot see it even when I am standing over it. Different cables, fuses, amplifier topology, or cartridge design may or may not result in the same or even any data points and may or may not sound alike. But just because you cannot hear a difference nor measure a difference does not mean there is no difference. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just as good sound may be in their ear.

Some of us have at least as much faith in our ears as we do in our REW software and associated hardware. I start room setup with acoustic theory and then confirm with measurements, but the final placement is always a result of what sounds most pleasing. I would not know how to determine speaker toe-in using a microphone.

While I will always have to trust my senses, I am not handicapped by relying solely on those that are associated with a number.

 “…not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” William Bruce Cameron, 1963

tcutter

“Measurement marketing has really been abused.”

@bartsw - Agree, as has subjective observation marketing!

Is there even such a thing as people who only believe in measurements?  
 

As opposed to recognizing that measurements are useful to help separate the men from the boys but after that it’s pretty much always up to personal preference?
 

In this world we live in must we really demonize people for valuing objective measurements of things?  Everybody should value facts.   They are in fact quite useful.

Opinions matter too. Keep the mind open and value  the best of both worlds! 

 

 

 

 

@mapman 

Three posts above yours might be an example.

"How about a cease and desist on people who claim to be audiophiles, but then turn around and claim expensive power cables and fancy speaker wires change sound."

 

@mapman  we don't even have an accurate human weighting system for audio, so how are measurements fact?  The measurements are also taken in isolation and not the way the equipment will be used in the real world. A lot of the people who cherish measurements also don't want to admit there is definitely a subjective part to audio.

Exactly. yes

It seems some think we dont bother about measurements. We all takes them into account.

What we cannot accept is the rejection, in the name of some measurements and double blind test circus, of acoustic subjective experience and objective concepts as ruling audio and even gear design.

Many ASR fanatics take measurements as a flag under which they can mock anyone trusting his ears and optimization methods.

 Amir was debunked by many ...I even posted the links...

 

@mapman  we don’t even have an accurate human weighting system for audio, so how are measurements fact?  The measurements are also taken in isolation and not the way the equipment will be used in the real world. A lot of the people who cherish measurements also don’t want to admit there is definitely a subjective part to audio.