How much does a DAC do the more expensive it is?


Having spun an Oppo 105 for many years on its own before adding a Schiit Gungnir (bought for a generous steal from a wonderful seller here), I was immediately struck with how much more presence and detail the Schiit added to the Oppo's presentation. 

That Gungnir, even new, pales in comparison pricewise with 4 and 5 figure DACs I see for sale here.

So what do those much more expensive DACS do for sound? I mean, how much more information can be dug out of the digital files? Is it akin to what a good phono stage can do for a cartridge?

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@thyname wrote, "The specs on the op-amps are fabulous and digital engineers are inherently seduced by the beauty of the math story. There are minor differences in the sound quality between various op-amps, but it's kind of like the difference between a Duncan-Heinz cake mix and a Betty Crocker cake mix."

What then of DACs that don't even have op-amps like say a Denafrips Ares II 12th Anniversary edition?  Is that "better" than using op-amps in some way? What are the tradeoffs? It is a "softer" sound, perhaps not as dynamic?

You said most DACs are sigma-delta.  Maybe so. There's some at every price point.  But are the qualities most of the YouTube reviewers mention about R2R DACs (their "natural tonality and deep and wide soundstage" which have been repeated ad nausem) artifacts of that architecture or "real"?  Did the recording engineer and mastering engineer hear the playback that way, assuming they are using high quality sigma-delta DACs and not R2R ones?

Power supplies obviously play a huge role in how "black" the background can be, but I want to note that linear power supplies might not always be king. Analog Devices and others are working hard on developing switch mode power supplies that should compete well with linear power supplies. They are targeting the medical device field currently, but you can be sure these will eventually find their way into audio gear (or we can hope). 

Just as "some" audiophiles are ready to adopt Class-D amps, no doubt, some will eventually adopt well designed switch mode power supplies and call it a day.

Thanks.  

I have an Oppo 105 and 103. Never particularly liked either as CD player or transport.

Completely agree.

In fact I don't believe any Blu-ray player should ever be used to play CDs.

So what do those much more expensive DACS do for sound?

I like the analogy that a DAC is like a cart. DACs shape the sound. They can smooth out edgy highs, preserve the all important mid-range and tighten up bass. but...EVERYTHING matters.

2 months ago I thought my $600 Bluesound Node (current model) was pretty darn good, and I was also a digital cable naysayer. 

Out of necessity, I upgraded and tweaked my digital front end (details in my virtual system). I still have the Node but I will replace it at some point now that I know what I know:)

You get what you pay for but if you are patient and do your research, a killer digital front end can be had for under $5K. But if money is no object...go nuts.

 

There are exceptions to the rule many R2R dacs have a very natural character,

tube dacs have their own complementing character .

Each company has their own way and different design .

the more expensive dacs many times have more high quality filtering for lower noise , as well as better clocks  they did deeper in imaging, sound staging and low 

level details , I have heard many dacs visiting  many homes within our audio 

get togethers.  Imo $7k under a very high quality dac , my personal favorite 

theT&A 200 dac. It beats many dacs at 2x the cost , that being said 

The Gustard  R2R 26;is my current favorite under $2k dac , saying that ,the Audio  magic M1 fuse Highly recommended to complement it to be at its best forunder $2k total. 

It is a fallacy that the more money gets you the better product. It may be true in some instances but it is total bs in many others. Only your ears will tell you. Not the money spent.