room size question.

bshaw

When a question is asked you receive a lot of good information to try  ,

I'll give you something exact to try or not , I've already suggested having the speaker 36" from the side wall leaving your speakers at 62" from center to center, the next suggestion is based on the listening angle that is equal to the angle of the speakers being 8' apart and the listening distance being 10' or 48-49 degrees , so if you can move your speakers and even your listening chair so you have 75" from speakers to ears ,  now measure from the center of your listening position 23" and aim the speakers to that point .  Toe-in even just 1/2" will make a big difference , I know you said you didn't like it but I have moved my speakers several hundred times ( it's free ! ) and for me this formula is the best , but it will all depend on how things sound when you move the speakers closer to the front wall .

Good Luck 

@bshaw

I agree , It must be frustating.

I have soundstage , depth , and height.

My room is 12 X 30 (it is opened to the dining room )

The walls are covered with absorbtion-diffuser and diffuser pannels.

( maybe too many )

The ceiling has some acoustic pannels as well.

May be , some speakers are better at soundstage-depth-height ??

My speakers (Audiovector R6 Arreté ) are slightly toed in  and tilted .

@bshaw What is the rest of your equipment? Some gear does soundstaging better than other gear. Though as everyone has stated it is mostly speaker positioning.

@maxwave 

My room is 12 X 30 (it is opened to the dining room )

which again, even though it opens to a dining room, this is still a lot bigger than a 11 x 12 room.        

@jond 

What is the rest of your equipment?    Though as everyone has stated it is mostly speaker positioning.

preamp : aric audio transcend

amp : Innersound esl300

cd player : ayre cx7

speakers : PBN m2 monitors

2 svs subs.

speakers are now 30" from back wall and 26" from side wall.      if you move them to far apart, then you lose imagining and just sounds like 2 speakers playing.  brought them closer together and it images just fine....but again, no soundstage. plenty of detail and vocals are clear, just missing that one thing.              i honestly think its the room .    if i had a few more feet either way, i think things would sound different / better ...and dont get me wrong, it sounds good....but just missing the one thing.

@bshaw

I would try a different speaker, if that’s a possibility. Something a little smaller.

From my experience: when I added a sub, it reduced my soundstage. I tried 5 different subs then to find one that worked.

"i honestly think its the room "

Can you change the room?